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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

My thought would be, being more specific? Like, if someone finds something problematic, I would assume it's tied to an issue, like sexism, racism, etc. So why not flat-out write "I think this has racist implicationconnotations", or "I'm getting an abusive vibe from this relationship" or whatever. This is why "problematic" often strikes me as lazy, because clearly there is SOMETHING you can pinpoint, instead of using a catch-all term. It'd help get a discussion going or make people examine it more closely, too.

[(Anonymous)]

IDK. I can only answer for myself but I don't think there's ever been a time when I called something problematic without going on to list the specific reasons I considered it problematic.

And, again, like I said above, I think saying "this is racist" comes charged with a whole barrel of weight attached to it, and if you use that language you have to immediately hedge by saying "implications connotations vibes" and I don't think that's actually a much better solution.

[(Anonymous)]

DA.

Interesting, I find this is part of the reason why using "problematic" is tempting? It's like when you just want to say "flawed but in a potentially socially bad way" but don't want to have to expand because you've already mentioned why somewhere else and are just putting a stamp on something at this point. It's like the minimal amount of information to sum up your sentiments about it without going into detail -- for sure useful when I'm being lazy.

I'm tempted to use it this way (as a kind of "blah blah blah") but after seeing people who just throw it around to look correct and righteous without having to explain their reasoning at all, that's made me more reluctant...

[(Anonymous)]

"I think this has racist implication/connotations" and "I'm getting an abusive vibe from this relationship" is subjective.
"This is problematic" is objective.

People are far too often unwilling to concede that their opinions are Not solid facts that everyone needs to agree with. Subjective opinions can not be used to bully people into telling you that you're right and making you feel powerful and superior.

[(Anonymous)]

"This is problematic" is objective.

...It's really not, though?

[(Anonymous)]

But it is. Somthing being problematic is subjective, but somone saying outright that somthing is problematic is an objective statment.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, then "This is racist" or "This is sexist" should work just as well.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the ayrt means that people use "This is problematic" as an objective statement which means they can ignore anybody who disagrees with them since they're wrong and probably whatever-ist. Plus is a nice blanket statement so they can make sure they get all the brownie points.

"I think x is whatever-ist" admits that it is merely an opinion, and not undisputed fact.

[(Anonymous)]

I mean, in a perfect world it would be objective, but right now, it's kind of not.

[(Anonymous)]

No, I mean it is an objective statement, not that the thing that is being described is objectively one thing or another, but that the way they choose to describe it is in an objective manner. It's not saying "I think XXX" it's saying "This is XXX"

[anonymous4]

It's actually subjective masquerading as objective.

Which is why it pushes so many buttons.

[were_lemur]

Wow. I never thought of it that way, but you're right.

[elialshadowpine]

Hmm. I tend to agree, if the main issue in the book/movie/TV series/whatever is XYZ. If there's multiple issues, I'll personally tend towards problematic, and elaborate as needed. It depends on context, too. But, I can understand where "problematic" can get to be an issue, when everyone says something is "problematic" but it's harder to find info on what actually is the issue (and then people act like you're stupid, or outright call you such, if it's something you didn't pick up on, when sometimes things can be pretty subtle and wouldn't be things you'd necessarily think of; I've lost track of the number of times someone put a bunch of relatively-subtle stuff together that I missed when I was reading, for whatever reason, and it seemed pretty obvious afterwards).

[diet_poison]

But language has a wide variety of catch-all terms that are useful in some situations. Almost any descriptive word can be either more general or more specific and can be "lazy" in the right context.

It's a word that means something. It has a use. Just because people are over-using it/using it wrong doesn't mean its definition ceases to be.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol at the idea that "this is racist" or "this is sexist" don't shut down conversation. Because if you call something racist, you're OBVIOUSLY calling anyone who enjoyed it racist as well, and the discussion must necessarily turn not to why the original thing might be racist, but why the people who like it *totally aren't* and *how dare you.*

The whole reason people started using problematic was because people's feelings were too fragile to call a spade a spade.