[ SECRET POST #2937 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2937 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

But you're missing the point. The point isn't that dildos are real. The point is that what you're saying is like saying "What's the point of dildos? If you want a penis-like thing inside of you, go have sex with a man."

[(Anonymous)]

I'm more saying "If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…why don't you just call it a duck?"

[(Anonymous)]

*throws up hands in frustration*

Why is an omega something that looks like a woman and quacks like a woman, and so should be replaced by a woman, but a dildo is not something that looks like a penis and quacks like a penis and so should be replaced by a penis

[(Anonymous)]

Look, just cuz a platypus has a duckbill and duckfeet, that doesn't make it a duck. Same way just because MPREG is a thing, doesn't make the guy a gal.

[(Anonymous)]

I just don't see how "male" omegas can be classified as male.

Female: of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.

Like, in omegaverse, omegas are basically the equivalents of females. Or hermaphrodites.

Whatever. I guess I just don't get it.

[(Anonymous)]

I think what I'd say is that the omegaverse does not exist as a real universe and should not be expected to follow biological rules or norms to any rigorous extent. That stuff is much less relevant than the fact that in our world the characters are male, and that they still have many of the traits that we associate with being male, and so it makes more sense to classify them as male, because that's how people are writing them and reading them, and less to follow the biological definitions which have no bearing on any of the reasons anyone reads this stuff.

Out of curiosity, would you levy the same objections towards mpreg fic in general?

[(Anonymous)]

For mpreg, it depends.

Technically speaking, one could theoretically implant an embryo into a male body and there's no reason it couldn't grow. Extrauterine pregnancies have been carried to term, for example. Hella dangerous though.

If someone is born with male reproductive capacities and then can get pregnant, through some sort of weird science, then it wouldn't bother me so much.

But the omega-verse kind of weirds me out because it seems like it's just taking traditional women's role sand re-labeling them for males while often getting rid of women altogether. Women do exist in these fics, but often they're just supporting characters and completely nonsexual.

It's just weird to me. Especially with how stereotypically patriarchal omega verse is often written.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

You sound like someone who hasn't read much omegaverse fic. There's the standard omegaverse you'd expect, but there's so much more that subverts the roles, and most of the actually good fic is of the kind that takes this expected setup and gives it a twist. In exactly the same way that you'd roll your eyes at standard romance stories, but most good fic takes that and plays with the tropes.

Have you ever read f/f omegaverse fic? Do you know it exists? "Omegaverse" is a construct in the same way "dystopia" is, or "BDSM universe" is. How much an author sticks to the standard setup varies wildly and usually the interesting parts are where they do vary from the base.

[(Anonymous)]

My point, again, in brief, is that you are paying a huge amount of attention to the biological mechanisms of the change here, and that these mechanisms are basically unrelated to the reasons people read and write this stuff, which can be summed up as "they think it's hot when dudes with penises get pregnant and have babies".

Which is why I don't think it makes sense to be concerned about women's roles, because it's a very specific kink within slash fic. And f/f and m/f omegaverse fic does exist, so it's hard for me to believe that this is intrinsically rooted in some kind of sexist urge; it seems more likely that the people who both are into this kind of thing and can't have those desires satisfied anywhere else are most likely people who are into m/m.

So, like, unless you want to make this about whether liking slash fiction in general is compatible with feminism, I don't think complaining about omegaverse stuff specifically makes much sense. And I don't think that's an argument that's going to have much traction with most people.

[(Anonymous)]

Nah, I mean, I get the idea that for some people there is a certain appeal to the notion of pregnant dudes. And I'm not objected on "feminist" grounds or anything. It just seems kind of…pointless to me, I guess.

When you restructure the whole society (the way omega verse often is), then it kind of removes the novelty factor of "Oh NO -- dude is pregnant! This is completely unexpected!" or of subverting gender roles.

I'm more confused by the pointlessness (in my view) of it. I just don't get it at all.

People who like it can go ahead and enjoy it but it just puzzles me is all.

[(Anonymous)]

I would suspect that for people who enjoy it "Then who is pregnant? Dude is pregnant" either retains its novelty or - and I think this is much more likely - their enjoyment of it has nothing to do with novelty and everything to do with finding it skin-meltingly hot. Even if it's expected.

[(Anonymous)]

Kinks don't have any point other than that they make people hot. Maybe you only get off on ultra logical shit, but a lot of people have *gasp* FANTASIES, and they like to read and write about them, even and especially if those things can't actually happen in real life.

You must be such a fucking bore. What do you do when you watch movies with people? "That can't actually happen! That's so unrealistic, and let me tell you exactly why!" "But it's not supposed to be realistic, anon." "Then what's the point? I DON'T UNDERSTAAAAAAANNNNND."

[(Anonymous)]

But, in omegaverse male vs female does not seem to be based on whether or not you can give birth.

It is generally more about penis vs vagina.

[(Anonymous)]

Female: of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring

There are several male animals that bear offspring. Seahorses being the most famous example.

Entirely too relevant

[feotakahari]

Re: Entirely too relevant

[diet_poison]

lol I love this

+1

[(Anonymous)]

excellent

Re: Entirely too relevant

[(Anonymous)]

That's just awesome.

Re: Entirely too relevant

[litalex]

Oh, this is hilarious. :D

Re: Entirely too relevant

[(Anonymous)]

hee hee hee!

[(Anonymous)]

I think I know what you mean.

Biologically speaking, alphas and omegas are clearly replacing males and females -- or females and males, there's no reason the alphas couldn't be the ones providing the ova. Why, then, is male/female a thing at all? Why are there male/female-based gender roles at all when alpha/omega-based "gender" roles would obviously take precedence? If having a penis or vagina don't actually indicate who someone can have offspring with, why does it matter so much?

It's not an issue if there are also betas who have males and females as we do in the real world, especially if they're the majority. Or if female alphas and male omegas can also function like real-world females and males respectively, then you just have two independent, uh, axes of reproduction. But if all reproduction has to do with alphas and omegas, and male and female just refer to superficial physical characteristics, then male and female mean something very different than they do in the real world.

[diet_poison]

I'm not sure where you're coming from, but I don't like the insinuations I'm picking up from it about female sexuality. Or maybe that's what you're critiquing? :S

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure what the insinuations are? Just that the human race where (almost) everyone is male or female and omega or alpha would have developed a very different idea of what male and female mean.

[(Anonymous)]

"If a butch lesbian looks like a man and acts like a man, why don't you just make her a man?"

Because then it's not femmeslash any more.

[(Anonymous)]

But not all men look or act the same.

There are skinny, delicate guys and beefy muscular guys and fat guys.

There are sensitive men and assholes and artistic guys and sporty jocks.

I don't really see how your comparison works.