[ SECRET POST #2937 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2937 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

But that's actually real…like dildos actually exist.

When you're writing about a self-lubricating hole that you fuck to make your partner pregnant then that's basically a vagina.

(Though I guess, in fairness, if it handles both waste and offspring, then it's a cloaca.)

[(Anonymous)]

But you're missing the point. The point isn't that dildos are real. The point is that what you're saying is like saying "What's the point of dildos? If you want a penis-like thing inside of you, go have sex with a man."

[(Anonymous)]

I'm more saying "If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…why don't you just call it a duck?"

[(Anonymous)]

*throws up hands in frustration*

Why is an omega something that looks like a woman and quacks like a woman, and so should be replaced by a woman, but a dildo is not something that looks like a penis and quacks like a penis and so should be replaced by a penis

[(Anonymous)]

Look, just cuz a platypus has a duckbill and duckfeet, that doesn't make it a duck. Same way just because MPREG is a thing, doesn't make the guy a gal.

[(Anonymous)]

I just don't see how "male" omegas can be classified as male.

Female: of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.

Like, in omegaverse, omegas are basically the equivalents of females. Or hermaphrodites.

Whatever. I guess I just don't get it.

[(Anonymous)]

I think what I'd say is that the omegaverse does not exist as a real universe and should not be expected to follow biological rules or norms to any rigorous extent. That stuff is much less relevant than the fact that in our world the characters are male, and that they still have many of the traits that we associate with being male, and so it makes more sense to classify them as male, because that's how people are writing them and reading them, and less to follow the biological definitions which have no bearing on any of the reasons anyone reads this stuff.

Out of curiosity, would you levy the same objections towards mpreg fic in general?

[(Anonymous)]

For mpreg, it depends.

Technically speaking, one could theoretically implant an embryo into a male body and there's no reason it couldn't grow. Extrauterine pregnancies have been carried to term, for example. Hella dangerous though.

If someone is born with male reproductive capacities and then can get pregnant, through some sort of weird science, then it wouldn't bother me so much.

But the omega-verse kind of weirds me out because it seems like it's just taking traditional women's role sand re-labeling them for males while often getting rid of women altogether. Women do exist in these fics, but often they're just supporting characters and completely nonsexual.

It's just weird to me. Especially with how stereotypically patriarchal omega verse is often written.

[(Anonymous)]

But, in omegaverse male vs female does not seem to be based on whether or not you can give birth.

It is generally more about penis vs vagina.

[(Anonymous)]

Female: of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring

There are several male animals that bear offspring. Seahorses being the most famous example.

Entirely too relevant

[feotakahari]

[(Anonymous)]

I think I know what you mean.

Biologically speaking, alphas and omegas are clearly replacing males and females -- or females and males, there's no reason the alphas couldn't be the ones providing the ova. Why, then, is male/female a thing at all? Why are there male/female-based gender roles at all when alpha/omega-based "gender" roles would obviously take precedence? If having a penis or vagina don't actually indicate who someone can have offspring with, why does it matter so much?

It's not an issue if there are also betas who have males and females as we do in the real world, especially if they're the majority. Or if female alphas and male omegas can also function like real-world females and males respectively, then you just have two independent, uh, axes of reproduction. But if all reproduction has to do with alphas and omegas, and male and female just refer to superficial physical characteristics, then male and female mean something very different than they do in the real world.

[diet_poison]

I'm not sure where you're coming from, but I don't like the insinuations I'm picking up from it about female sexuality. Or maybe that's what you're critiquing? :S

[(Anonymous)]

"If a butch lesbian looks like a man and acts like a man, why don't you just make her a man?"

Because then it's not femmeslash any more.

[(Anonymous)]

But not all men look or act the same.

There are skinny, delicate guys and beefy muscular guys and fat guys.

There are sensitive men and assholes and artistic guys and sporty jocks.

I don't really see how your comparison works.

[(Anonymous)]

So, all those dude bros are correct! Why would a lesbian prefer a dildo or strap-on, when there are tons of actual penises in the world?????

[(Anonymous)]

Having a vagina =/= identifying as female.

[(Anonymous)]

i'm sure trans men love being reminded of that

[(Anonymous)]

With the fact that having a vagina isn't the sole factor in whether you're a man or a woman, which the person arguing "why don't you just make the omegas female since they have something that operates like a vagina?" is basically saying, like it's that easily interchanged?

I can't help thinking you've taken this comment the wrong way.

[diet_poison]

What's the point of this comment? Do trans men tend to forget that they were born with vaginas?

[lb_lee]

Sad, but true. Sometimes, I wake up in the morning, go to the bathroom, and shriek, "THE FUCK IS THAT DOING THERE?"

It's always a terrible shock. I need to relax afterward by punching beefshanks and driving my monster truck over a few hybrids.

[diet_poison]

Don't forget to eat the biggest steak you can find and wash it down with a gallon of beer!

I kinda wish I had a monster truck. and I'm not a man.

[lb_lee]

And afterward, I shall masturbate to the most bland, boringass porn imaginable!

(Goddamn I miss my I AM A MAN icon of yore. It'd be so handy right now.)

[(Anonymous)]

i misinterpreted that anons' comment, but it was a quip at people who bring up stuff like "some men have periods" when trying to be inclusive of trans men.

[(Anonymous)]

DA yeah that's obnoxious. I'm all for being trans inclusive but do we have to bend over backwards to qualify that biological sex (which is almost always associated with gender) isn't a thing? I'm all for having conversations about trans, genderqueer, intersex, all for it. but the tumblr outrage at anyone making a comment about how women experience something according to their bodies is not helping anyone's cause.