[ SECRET POST #2937 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2937 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

When I read femslash with butch/femme dynamics, I just can't help but think -- why don't you just gender bend the characters into het? If the butch lesbian is always topping and using a dildo on the femme one anyway, it makes no difference at all, right? Surely it's exactly the same thing?

tl;dr gender doesn't work that way

+1

[(Anonymous)]

fantastic response, A+, iawtp

[(Anonymous)]

But that's actually real…like dildos actually exist.

When you're writing about a self-lubricating hole that you fuck to make your partner pregnant then that's basically a vagina.

(Though I guess, in fairness, if it handles both waste and offspring, then it's a cloaca.)

[(Anonymous)]

But you're missing the point. The point isn't that dildos are real. The point is that what you're saying is like saying "What's the point of dildos? If you want a penis-like thing inside of you, go have sex with a man."

[(Anonymous)]

I'm more saying "If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…why don't you just call it a duck?"

[(Anonymous)]

*throws up hands in frustration*

Why is an omega something that looks like a woman and quacks like a woman, and so should be replaced by a woman, but a dildo is not something that looks like a penis and quacks like a penis and so should be replaced by a penis

[(Anonymous)]

Look, just cuz a platypus has a duckbill and duckfeet, that doesn't make it a duck. Same way just because MPREG is a thing, doesn't make the guy a gal.

[(Anonymous)]

I just don't see how "male" omegas can be classified as male.

Female: of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) that can be fertilized by male gametes.

Like, in omegaverse, omegas are basically the equivalents of females. Or hermaphrodites.

Whatever. I guess I just don't get it.

[(Anonymous)]

"If a butch lesbian looks like a man and acts like a man, why don't you just make her a man?"

Because then it's not femmeslash any more.

[(Anonymous)]

But not all men look or act the same.

There are skinny, delicate guys and beefy muscular guys and fat guys.

There are sensitive men and assholes and artistic guys and sporty jocks.

I don't really see how your comparison works.

[(Anonymous)]

So, all those dude bros are correct! Why would a lesbian prefer a dildo or strap-on, when there are tons of actual penises in the world?????

[(Anonymous)]

Having a vagina =/= identifying as female.

[(Anonymous)]

i'm sure trans men love being reminded of that

[(Anonymous)]

With the fact that having a vagina isn't the sole factor in whether you're a man or a woman, which the person arguing "why don't you just make the omegas female since they have something that operates like a vagina?" is basically saying, like it's that easily interchanged?

I can't help thinking you've taken this comment the wrong way.

[diet_poison]

What's the point of this comment? Do trans men tend to forget that they were born with vaginas?

[feotakahari]

I don't think this is an accurate comparison. You're talking about reflecting a possibilty in reality, not taking a male character and making him "the woman" down to the biological level.

[(Anonymous)]

I do not feel that is an accurate descriptor of what is going on in omegaverse fiction at all. And I'm not sure if it's actually relevant that it can exist in reality or not.

[(Anonymous)]

I take issue with your insistence that having children or bottoming automatically makes you "the woman," or that being "the woman" means you automatically must be "omega."

A/B/O fics with female alphas exist. If it's F/F then is the female alpha being "made the MAN"? No, it's femslash with specific dom/sub dynamics.

[feotakahari]

Hmm, I actually have to think about this one.

I wouldn't say that futa makes a character "the man." Genitals don't determine gender, as anyone who's trans will tell you. And bottoming doesn't make a character "the woman." But when you write characters who're biologically predisposed to bottoming, meant for bottoming for childbearing purposes . . . Well, that does match up to how really creepy guys write women.

I guess I'm approaching this differently than the anon. They're going "Call these characters female!" I'm going "It's fucked-up and disturbing when you call these characters female, so it doesn't stop being fucked-up and disturbing when you call these characters male."

(Nyxelestia is going to kill me for this. I tried reading your fic, I really did. I lasted five paragraphs before feeling like I was gonna throw up.)

[(Anonymous)]

Well having children makes you "the female." And there's really no getting around that -- that's what female MEANS -- to bear the offspring.

[(Anonymous)]

pornographic fanfiction is not biology class

[feotakahari]

The whole trans* movement really passed you by, didn't it?

[(Anonymous)]

You seem to be grabbing for scientific definitions of male and female sex, when they don't exist. Not in the way you seem to be thinking. Creating new life is weird and complicated and there's tons of ways to do it, or not do it.

Like worker bees are female, even though they're a different stage of female than the queen and they will most likely live and die in that stage without ever producing offspring. But should the queen die a worker will undergo metamorphosis and start producing drones since she's never gone on a mating flight.

Basically, in short, male and female are arbitrary labels we like to stick on things to make them easier to relate to, and saying that we're going to have a universe where male or female is determined by eyelash length makes as much or more sense than anything we've already got.

[(Anonymous)]

Some male animals are the ones that bear the offspring. You really didn't know this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_pregnancy

[(Anonymous)]

No it doesn't! Biological reality means nothing. There's no such thing as a woman. Being a woman is nothing more than a 'feeling' a man has.