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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-01-18 03:36 pm

[ SECRET POST #2937 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2937 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2015-01-18 08:44 pm (UTC)(link)
When I read the omega-verse tropes (pregnancy, self-lubricating anuses) I just can't help but think -- why don't you just gender bend the characters into flat chested women?

(Anonymous) 2015-01-18 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
It's all about cock! With added knot to make BIGGER COCK!

(Anonymous) 2015-01-18 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Penis. I want penises.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-18 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Have you ever heard of a genre called futanari? I think it might interest you.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-18 09:04 pm (UTC)(link)
No. I don't want breasts and penises.
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[personal profile] feotakahari 2015-01-18 09:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm . . . Would symmetrical docking* be to your taste?

*Also known as "dick in dick porn."

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(Anonymous) 2015-01-18 09:01 pm (UTC)(link)
But what I like about omega-verse fic isn't pregnancy (well, not primarily), and lubricating anuses not really at all. What I like about omega-verse fic is heat and knotting, and then pregnancy to a much lesser extent. Which is why I read het omega-verse fic when I can find any.

It turns out people like different things for different reasons!

(Anonymous) 2015-01-18 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
When I read femslash with butch/femme dynamics, I just can't help but think -- why don't you just gender bend the characters into het? If the butch lesbian is always topping and using a dildo on the femme one anyway, it makes no difference at all, right? Surely it's exactly the same thing?

tl;dr gender doesn't work that way

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(Anonymous) 2015-01-18 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
fantastic response, A+, iawtp

(Anonymous) 2015-01-18 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
But that's actually real…like dildos actually exist.

When you're writing about a self-lubricating hole that you fuck to make your partner pregnant then that's basically a vagina.

(Though I guess, in fairness, if it handles both waste and offspring, then it's a cloaca.)

(Anonymous) 2015-01-18 09:21 pm (UTC)(link)
But you're missing the point. The point isn't that dildos are real. The point is that what you're saying is like saying "What's the point of dildos? If you want a penis-like thing inside of you, go have sex with a man."

(Anonymous) 2015-01-18 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm more saying "If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck…why don't you just call it a duck?"

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Entirely too relevant

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(Anonymous) 2015-01-18 09:22 pm (UTC)(link)
So, all those dude bros are correct! Why would a lesbian prefer a dildo or strap-on, when there are tons of actual penises in the world?????

(Anonymous) 2015-01-18 10:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Having a vagina =/= identifying as female.

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i'm sure trans men love being reminded of that

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[personal profile] feotakahari 2015-01-18 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't think this is an accurate comparison. You're talking about reflecting a possibilty in reality, not taking a male character and making him "the woman" down to the biological level.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-18 09:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I do not feel that is an accurate descriptor of what is going on in omegaverse fiction at all. And I'm not sure if it's actually relevant that it can exist in reality or not.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-18 09:28 pm (UTC)(link)
I take issue with your insistence that having children or bottoming automatically makes you "the woman," or that being "the woman" means you automatically must be "omega."

A/B/O fics with female alphas exist. If it's F/F then is the female alpha being "made the MAN"? No, it's femslash with specific dom/sub dynamics.
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[personal profile] feotakahari 2015-01-18 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm, I actually have to think about this one.

I wouldn't say that futa makes a character "the man." Genitals don't determine gender, as anyone who's trans will tell you. And bottoming doesn't make a character "the woman." But when you write characters who're biologically predisposed to bottoming, meant for bottoming for childbearing purposes . . . Well, that does match up to how really creepy guys write women.

I guess I'm approaching this differently than the anon. They're going "Call these characters female!" I'm going "It's fucked-up and disturbing when you call these characters female, so it doesn't stop being fucked-up and disturbing when you call these characters male."

(Nyxelestia is going to kill me for this. I tried reading your fic, I really did. I lasted five paragraphs before feeling like I was gonna throw up.)

(Anonymous) 2015-01-18 09:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Well having children makes you "the female." And there's really no getting around that -- that's what female MEANS -- to bear the offspring.

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(Anonymous) 2015-01-18 11:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Flat chested women have self-lubricating anuses?
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[personal profile] ariakas 2015-01-19 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
Lol yes we do. Once you get down under an A cup, you have to wear an ass pad.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-19 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
Nightmare fodder!

I pray mine never shrink, or else it's on with the big Bridget Jones pants for those pads.

(Anonymous) 2015-01-19 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
because... people like slash? is this a serious question or...?

(Anonymous) 2015-01-19 04:02 am (UTC)(link)
Because I like the idea of my favorite manly muscley man going into heat and being dicked by someone. Any other questions?