[ SECRET POST #2939 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2939 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 036 secrets from Secret Submission Post #420.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It disturbs me that both feminists and I'm Not A Feminist Buts are more interested in being mad at women who can relate to Amy's problems than the hundreds, thousands, millions of men throughout the history of literature who have related to sociopathic male protagonists but have obtained legitimacy because "it's art".

[(Anonymous)]

Which male characters are you referring to?

[(Anonymous)]

Patrick Bateman, Tyler Durden, Humbert Humbert, the entire Corleone family...

[(Anonymous)]

I've seen ppl hold them up as interesting characters but i have never seen anyone hold them up as an "Icon for men".

[feotakahari]

Who the hell holds Patrick Bateman as an icon? Actually, who the hell holds Humbert Humbert as an icon and doesn't get the living shit mocked out of him on the Internet? (I'll give you Tyler Durden, at least . . .)

[lb_lee]

I wrote a paper on Lolita once. I... ran into a good few scholarly articles that were all about how Dolores seduced and tortured the poor guy, and how this put a new sympathetic spin on child molestation.

I'm pretty sure Nabokov screamed into his pillow at night over that.

[feotakahari]

[lb_lee]

PRETTY MUCH.

Seriously, Humbert Humbert is reprehensible. In my opinion, the weakness of the more recent movie, the one with Jeremy Irons, was that it hewed too closely to Humbert's bullshit narrative.

[feotakahari]

I'll be honest, I haven't actually read Lolita. I just ran across an argument on the Internet over whether or not he was evil. One person argued that he was, and to prove it, quoted a passage where

(Insert Oh dear God warning for anyone who hasn't read the book yet)

Humbert talks about how he wants to get Lolita pregnant as soon as possible. That way, by the time she's grown too old for him and he's no longer interested in her, their daughter can be his new Lolita.

I still think that's the most fucked-up thing I've ever read.

[lb_lee]

It's actually not an uncommon thing child-molesters, especially incestuous ones, do. They romanticize it into spawning legacies and keeping their seed within the family, that kind of bullshit. So that part is actually totally true to life.

I try to avoid using the word 'evil' just because it gets thrown around a lot, but in my opinion, such people are festering sores on the ass of humanity.

[(Anonymous)]

yep, full betray by blood. shithell...

[(Anonymous)]

I seem to recall watching a show recently about a chap that people liked a lot. It might have been called... Breaking... Bad?

[(Anonymous)]

You can relate to someone being sad or mad about her situation. But holding her up as a feminist icon after she murdered people is a bit creepy.

[(Anonymous)]

Why?

Murdering people, men in particular, while not good for the world and by no means laudable behaviour is not explicitly against feminism as it is stated or as it stands.

[kallanda_lee]

I don't think the problem is relating to Amy's problems. The problem is sympathizing with the way she chooses to fix them.

[(Anonymous)]

FUCKING THIS!

[(Anonymous)]

Fucking THANK YOU. All these baity "secrets" are nothing more than an excuse for the F!S anti crowd to bray on about "misandry" and "evulfeminism"

[(Anonymous)]

what? men became scared of people that "misandry" and "evulfeminism". just go to your comfort zone then.

[(Anonymous)]

But people...aren't...doing that.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't interrupt their self-righteousness with your petty little facts.

[(Anonymous)]

WALTER WHITE, YO

If I had a dime for every guy who still doesn't even realize he was a villain in the end and was MEANT to be, I swear I'd be fucking rich.

[(Anonymous)]

Also, I'm not on tumblr, but I regularly read and post in several feminist comms and no one on any of them has been holding her up as an idol or even as a satisfying vigilante/revenge fantasy--if anything, the conversations were about whether the way she was depicted played into misogynist fantasies about how women are evil and manipulative*, and as you said, the different ways people talk evil characters of different genders.

*I don't think so myself. But then, I spent my teens reading Patricia Highsmith, so while I thought the book was interesting, I wasn't as blown away by it as a lot of people seemed to be.

tl;dr Tumblr is not particularly representative of feminist discourse.