[ SECRET POST #2939 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2939 ⌋

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Comments

[sarillia]

Why do the average people who like terrible characters get defended because it's just fiction but as soon as one of those people identifies as a feminist then it means something more?

[(Anonymous)]

Probably because their ideology shapes their worldview.

[sarillia]

That's true but people still often like things that don't fit their worldview. I may have wanted Dexter to get caught the whole time I was watching the show, but there are plenty of people who don't support murder in real life but wanted him to succeed (just as an example). It seems like this is acknowledged with nonfeminists but sometimes it's not with feminists. I could be imagining it though.

[(Anonymous)]

You aren't imagining it. People will bend over to defend each other's problematic faves, until a feminist does it. Then it's proof that feminism is intrinsically evil.

[(Anonymous)]

And whose doesn't? That's why it's called an ideology. The actual reason is that it gives an excuse to bash feminism to people who were looking for one anyway. Usually because talking about women's rights bugs them.
Wonder why that might be? Maybe it's because of THEIR ideology.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think any of the people who claim they're worried about feminists who like Gone Girl actually believe what they're saying, for exactly that reason.

[(Anonymous)]

I spend a lot of time on feminist comms, and I don't know where these alleged Amy-worshiping feminists are. (I'm sure the answer is tumblr, so okay, the whole movement is evil.)

[kallanda_lee]

Tbh, I don't think the problem is liking the character. Lots of people like a good villain.

The problem is when people defend their pretty indefensible actions, and claim they're not really bad.

[sarillia]

I can agree with that. The problem is that sometimes people lump those two things together and act like they're the same thing. Which can actually describe people being attacked for liking certain characters on either side of the SJW divide now that I think of it.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, I can totally believe that this character's popularity comes from the exact same place Roschart's popularity comes from. It's a power fantasy, and I think it's disingenuous to believe that women who've been cheated on, or are otherwise angry about something in their lives, wouldn't identify with Amy.

Is it feminist? It's really up for debate, because while she's a terrible human being, she's a dynamic character. IDK why male characters get to be enjoyed as-is (they're either good/fun/interesting characters) but a female character is defined by whether she's feminist or not.

[(Anonymous)]

Right, but people who think Rorschach is admirable (including the "just needs a hug" contingent) are also kinda morally reprehensible. My objection to the feminist labeling is that I don't like when people say that morally reprehensible stances are appropriate and progressive.

[(Anonymous)]

Because feminism is a good thing. It's one of the most positive and helpful social movements of the past century, and to have people saying that evil actions are intrinsically feminist implies that something has gone badly wrong.

We all love a good villain or antihero, the character you love to hate. I've often complained that there's not enough really good female villains out there; Azula from Avatar is a personal favorite of mine. But it's a problem when folks don't just have fun with an evil character, they have to JUSTIFY their evil actions and make them sympathetic or in the right. We see this with Poor Abused Loki, Reliable Narrator Humbert Humbert, Basically Decent Walter White, and now with Totes Feminist Amy Dunne. I find the latter even more pernicious because it's associating--even equating--sociopathic actions with feminism.

TL;DR: The problem isn't that it's okay to criticize Amy because she's feminist, the problem is that calling her feminist is an insult to feminism.