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Since we're doing spoilers - what disturbed me there was that he literally did nothing to deserve it. You can argue that the way he was portrayed, he was also not quite mentally okay - but he HELPED her.

Even if you're the kid of person who likes excessive revenge fantasies about cheating husbands, that IS absolutely the line crossed where it's clear she's a sociopath.

kill man in mid coitus? that's disturbing as fuck. and without warning.

now she redefine that "sex is good, that it kills."

(it is possible that she is sexually frustrated with his husband that plotting the whole thing?)

*her husbannd.

sorry for the typo.

"He did nothing to deserve it"?

What kind of bullshit mental gymnastics are you pulling to arrive at that conclusion?

he was a creepy fuck who had basically been stalking her for years. He was fucking obsessed. up until she killed him, I honestly thought this was going to be a "Stupid evil girl fakes rape and murder get's raped and murdered by vile stalker and is put in her place" story

So, we can kill creepy people now?

Look, the problem is that we HEAR about the creepy shit he did, not see it. Through Amy, which we know is not a reliable narrator. For all we know it wasn't stalking - maybe she deliberately encouraged it to suits her plan. It's not like she didn't do things like, oh, falsely accuse people of rape or tried to get them executed for a murder they didn't commit...

We don't really see him do anything bad on-screen, on the contrary. He puts a roof over her head, picks her up at her lowest, gives her clothes, doesn't press for sex because he thinks she's traumatized. While yes, he might have an unhealthy obsession with her, that is hardly the sort of man who deserves to be slaughtered like livestock.

...that's stretching. He was creepy as hell - yes, of course, he helped her, but he stalked her in the past, and when he "helped" her, it was clear that he wanted to keep her locked up "for her safety" and to push her to turn back into HIS preferred version of her - did you miss how controlling he was? About her appearance, clothes, food...? His whole "why would you need any money or a way to go outside, really" thing? He wasn't violent, and I'm not saying I rooted for her, but he was hella creepy and they clearly tried to show him as a potential danger for her - the problem was that she was much better at this game than he was and she was much more brutal.

Sure, he's controlling - but so is she. It's probably the kind of dynamic you get when you put two sociopaths in a house together.

(Hell, in my headcanon their pathologies probably made each other worse when they first met).

I'm not claiming he's a well-balanced and healthy individual - but he did nothing bad to her, and in his not-so-functional way wanted the best for her. As I said to the other anon - the stalking we know about through Amy, which makes it an unreliable narrator. If we're talking about manipulation and power dynamics - make no mistake:she was in control in that dynamic. Soo basically, then you get the question: "So it's okay to kill creepy people, then?".

Edited 2015-01-21 11:45 (UTC)

But isn't there a lot of space between "it's awful and disturbing, he did not deserve it at all" and "it's okay to kill creepy people"? I'm not saying I'm glad she killed him, but I can't say I'm feeling very sorry for him either - not since he started pulling all these "don't eat it", "eat this", "wear this not that" stuff - he pushed all my "fuck,creepy controlling guy, run, girl, run" buttons, even though I was aware she's not a harmless person. He was two steps away from locking her in his basement - it's just that his basement was very spacious and luxurious. There was no doubt in my mind that he would sooner or later try to push her for sex, he was just a "nice guy" about it (giving her time). So yeah, I definately SAW his creepiness ON SCREEN, not just heard about it from her (although she clearly did manipulate him both in the present and in the past - that's what I like about this film, acctually, they are all fairly unpleasant people, she's just 10 times more unpleasant than all the rest).

So all in all - what I'm not getting is why people feel so sorry for him...? I was startled by his murder because of the act itself, but definately not because I felt anything for the guy. He's not really likeable at all*. And the whole film is a bit like a revange fantasy film for me, there's some escapist pleasure in watching a good villan doing her thing.

(*The only person I feel sorry for in the end is Nick's sister, who's really the only normal person there; well, her and the policewoman)

Sure there is some nuance - but then it comes down what that nuance means to you.

To me, the behavior the exhibits, creepy is it is, does not deserve to be sanctioned be death. So that is a clear "no" for me. Some for the husband, I do not believe cheating warrants being set up as a murder suspects.

I mean, you could argue that pretty much everyone is the film is an awful person - but there's levels of awful.

To me, the only reason I can sort of root for Dexter is because he actually kills mostly serial killers. I still think, in real life, even people like that deserve at trial - but in-universe, at least the "punishment" fits the crime. I think Am is a fascinating character from a writer's perspective, but I can't "root" for her, because her "punishment" is totally and grossly disproportionate for the "crime".

I wouldn't say I feel "sorry"' for him exactly, but I do feel disgust with her for killing him.

And honestly? I WAS actually rooting for her husband in the end.

Hmm, I guess, I just switched off my "sympathy" and sense of promotion and realism somewhere in the middle of the movie and watched for pure, dark thrills or whatever that was ;)

And honestly? I WAS actually rooting for her husband in the end.

Oh, me too, albeit not very strongly (but, again, like in the case of NPH, I have my buttons and when they framed him in that night night scene as a victim trapped in a house with their abuser I did feel for him for a few seconds). Especially considering that the film gives you a slightly more positive view of him than the book (lack of his monologues helps a lot)- in the book his final decision to stay showscases a bit better just how much he likes himself in the "Amy's version", how much he can't imagine living with a "normal" woman who wouldn't love him "like that" and just how much he is ready to sweep under the carpet in the end. (I read the book after watching the film, my perception shifted slighty due to that, I guess)

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