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⌈ Secret Post #2945 ⌋

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[Not a Harem Heaven, It's a Yandere Hell]

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[Game of Thrones]

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[In the Flesh]

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[Hudson Leick as Callisto in Xena, Warrior Princess]

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[Plebcomics]

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[Great British Bake Off]

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[Captain America: The First Avenger]

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[Binan Koukou Chikyuu Bouei-bu LOVE!]

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I have deep issues with the film's Legolas. I really disliked the idea that he and his father had issues because book!Legolas is so merry and seems so well-adjusted and unfazed by stuff that I cannot see him as being anything but a very well loved little Elf growing up (also the reason I think his mom's still alive).

I could've been okay with the movie if it wasn't creeping up in fics but they all just remind me how much I hate that Legolas leaves at the end of the movie, and that there's unnecessary drama about his father loving his mom so much that he went after these jewels (that it makes no sense whatsoever that Thror would even have) but that he's distant from his son for the same reason. The more I think about it, the more it infuriates me.

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I don't mind the AUs, especially as it makes the OOC stuff a little more palatable. I haven't seen as much fluff, since it seems like a lot of authors have been exploring the fact that Bard will die and leave Thranduil alone.

But I agree that the fic is pretty bad. There's so much blushing going on. Also, playful!Thranduil is about as weird as evil!Thranduil to me.

I'm writing my own Bard/Thranduil fic in the hopes of adding something a little better to the mix. I'm not sure if I will succeed but there will definitely be no blushing.

Same! I'm really in the mood for some good slow-burn fic that's at least semi-happy at the end. So I'm trying to write some too, haha.

Best of luck with your fic! I'm sure it will be well received. The less blushing ~uguu kawaii~ Thranduil, the better, imho. :)

The same to you! The more fic out there, the better!

I actually didn't mind the jewels bit, tbh, because it at least gave him a motivation for going to war. It seemed weird, after he'd been established as this sort of reclusive character who was hesitant to act interfere in others affairs, to then just show up and be like: "HEY LETS KICK SOME DWARF BUTT."

But if the jewels belonged to his lost wife, then, yeahhhh that makes a bit more sense to me why he would risk so much for them.

The Legolas leaving thing was weird, though, IA. I think the main problem was that they didn't do a lot of setting up the relationship. It was just... suddenly! Daddy Issues! If it was actually well-established and written I wouldn't have minded it so much.

But that goes for a lot of stuff in the films tbh. =/

For me, I was hoping his motivation for leaving Mirkwood was to find/rescue his son. That Legolas was somehow the impetus to get him out of Mirkwood and then that somehow got him to go further and march on the mountain.

It doesn't make sense that Thranduil would risk the lives of all his Elves for something as small as a necklace but then later, he's so against spilling any Elf blood at all. Even in DoS, he seems content to let the world burn so long as his people are safe, but he's just going to throw that away now?

I also agree that the setup was terrible. In the films, they never say anything about the gems being his wife's -- that's all stuff I've heard from the BTS (and will probably be added in for the EE). So, he seems like a greedy douche.

But, if Legolas doesn't remember his mother and he's not a young Elf, then why does Thror have the necklace? Would the Dwarves have really kept it that whole time? And it looked like they were contracted to make the necklace, which means that Thranduil's wife never wore it, so why does he connect it so strongly to her?

Don't get me wrong, it didn't bug me that much the first few times I saw the film but now that I've had time to think about it, I find the entire thing to be frustrating.

To be fair, it's not like they made things up whole-cloth for the movies; Thranduil does come for gems in The Hobbit book, and I'm pretty sure his backstory is straight out of the Silmarilion. (I think in the Silmarilion it wasn't him who commissioned the necklace, but it was one of his people, and the dwarves refused to hand it over and massacred a bunch of elves. So that was the beginning of the worst of the Dwarf/Elf tension) I got the impression it wasn't so much JUST 'yay shinies!' but more a matter of principle..."I won't be kept from what's mine any longer by no damned dirty dwarves".

And Legolas is an awkward character for the filmmakers to have to handle because he wasn't in the book at all, Tolkien later made him up for LotR, but if they made The Hobbit and included Mirkwood but not Legolas, who's been living there for at least a thousand years, the audience would be understandably "WTF?"

But see they did make it up. Thranduil is not in the Silm at all. It is only Thingol. Now, Tolkien clearly had Thingol in mind when he made Thranduil -- he drew a lot from him -- but they are not the same thing at all. The thing that bugged me the most was that they bent over backwards to include Thingol's storyline into the movies but because they don't actually have the rights to Silm, they had to file off the serial numbers, so you end up with this terrible compilation. There was absolutely no reason for it. And the Nauglamir was recovered and the Dwarves responsible for it were all slain. There's no reason for Thranduil to be pissed because of something that happened to Thingol.

And, there is some debate about why Thranduil does what he does in the book. He doesn't ask for anything for himself once he sees Thorin is alive and it's not mentioned that the gems are why he marches his army (I have my own theories about that). Not to say that it couldn't be the gems but there's nothing hard and solid to say it was that and no other reason.

I have no problem with them including Legolas. I agree that he really should've been present in Mirkwood. He's such an insular character and appears to be seeing so much for the first time in LOTR that it makes sense he didn't leave home that much.

But, again, there is nothing there to suggest a conflict with his dad. There are infinite possibilities for how to include his character and what they chose was in the absolute bottom tier.

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