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[fscom]

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Transcript by OP

[fscom]

A screen cap from the episode Tooth and Claw. Rose and Ten are bouncing around excitedly about a werewolf, ignoring the fact that people have died and that Queen Victoria, who has just witnessed the horror, is watching them celebrate.

Text: This is the moment I stopped loving Rose Tyler.

(2006, called, it wants its secret back.)

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like that's just a trope of adventure stories in general. I don't think it makes sense to get mad at Rose for that. Or the Doctor, for that matter (and why is he immune from your wrath?).

OP:

[(Anonymous)]

The Doctor isn't immune to my wrath. I didn't like Ten from the beginning. He struck me as a big arrogant jerk from the moment he deposed Harriet Jones.

But up until that moment, I had loved Rose. So there was a real sense of loss.

Re: OP:

[(Anonymous)]

Fair enough, I guess (I hated the Harriet Jones thing too, even though I mostly like Ten). I still don't think this specific thing is a huge issue given the genre that Doctor Who is in, but fair enough.

Re: OP:

[othellia]

I love Ten, but I still hate what he did to Harriet Jones. It's my single most hated thing about all of Davies' era.

Re: OP:

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's edged out for me by the Doctor's wiping Donna's brain while she was begging him not to, but it's definitely in my top two want to punch the Tenth Doctor moments.

Re: OP:

[were_lemur]

That was me, wanting to punch the Tenth Doctor for what he did to Donna and/or Harriet, btw.

Re: OP:

[ketita]

I pretend really really hard that the Harriet Jones thing didn't happen.

[(Anonymous)]

They were both such insufferable jackasses in this episode. Each as bad as the other.

I liked Rose better with Nine.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, it's perfectly reasonable to think they're irritating jackasses, I'm just not sure OP's logic follows on that specific point.

[(Anonymous)]

I completely agree.

[(Anonymous)]

I liked Rose better with Nine too! Not such a fan of Ten.

[(Anonymous)]

I have headcanons about Rose and Ten wherein Rose was seriously psychologically damaged by the whole Bad Wolf thing and Ten was mostly unconsciously enabling her epic "not dealing" by letting her turn "the Doctor's Companion" into her entire identity, thus turning them into a creepily codependent, obnoxious pseudo-couple. It doesn't make them less annoying to watch, but makes it a more interesting train wreck.

[philstar22]

I so agree. Ten and Rose brought out the worst in each other. Rose was better with Nine and Ten was better with Donna.

[were_lemur]

EVERYTYHING is better with Donna.

[(Anonymous)]

Except for farewells... *shiver*

[(Anonymous)]

I loooooove Rose with Nine.

With Ten? She's Adric.

[sarillia]

They both irritated me there.

[(Anonymous)]

Yup. I'd been TIRED of her for a while, but this moment is when I began to actively dislike both her AND Ten. I hated how he was with her.

[othellia]

See, I've always loved this episode because it is the reason Rose ultimately gets torn away from the Doctor. It's because their callousness and continuous giggling that Queen Victoria exiles them both and creates Torchwood.

It's a wonderful bit of character development showing that Rose is - in the end - just an average 20-year-old girl with flaws and all, and there are consequences for it.

[sarillia]

I like the effect of it but it still annoyed me while I was watching it.

[replicantangel]

Agreed. They finally get some life lessons about the seriousness of what they get into (although in such a roundabout way that I doubt the characters themselves really see the gravity of their own actions - but we see them).

Maybe I don't remember much of this episode, but they do rather giggle and jump around at the end of near every episode when they're reunited/done with dealing with the baddie. I'm not sure why OP has chosen this episode to hate on the characters for that? Seems like it's applicable in a lot of episode endings.

But yeah, I rather like that there's a reminder that there are consequences to everything, and that even if the Doctor's life is fun (although the series overall seems to stress otherwise on a frequent basis), the characters shouldn't forget it's very real and present for those not time-traveling.

[were_lemur]

Maybe it was the first time? This was only their second regular episode together. Or maybe it was because they were doing it in front of someone who'd just lost people. Which is pretty fucking tacky.

I actually tolerate their episodes a lot better knowing that they're going to have to deal with the consequences of their actions down the road.

[replicantangel]

I hadn't even remembered it was only their second episode together.

I guess there's also the aspect that, in many episodes, the other characters are celebrating too, even when they've lost someone. It could be seen as a "thank God we survived - we'll mourn later, but right now, I'm just happy I'm breathing" thing though, and Victoria was one of the few that didn't have that reaction. Even with Nine/Rose, we get a lot of celebrating post-adventure which is supported and joined in by other characters (or they are appropriately somber with them).

Support from others in-universe aside, I do remember it was really freaking obvious Victoria was Not Pleased, and they should have not acted so insensitively. A hermit crab would have seen that was an inappropriate response.