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[ SECRET POST #2958 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2958 ⌋

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I honestly wish more people-specifically writers- knew about " ideas, base concepts and premises" and the difference between the two.

Am idea is very general idea, the spark of a story. "Wizards" "little creatures with cool powers" "creatures from the internet" or "ghost hunters" might be ideas.

A concept is basically a more focused idea "What if there was a school for young wizards" "What if there was a whole world accessed through the internet", "What if the world is filled with tiny creature with cool powers", or "what if there were a team of professional ghost hunters?"

A Premise is more specific. It's the foundation of your story. An example would be,
* "A boy who was raised by his horrible relatives finds out he's been invited to a wizard school, and he goes on to learn how to defeat the evil wizard who killed his parents."
* "a bunch of kids get sucked into a world in the internet filled with data based creatures to save the world."
* "The world is inhabited little creatures with cool powers that evolve called Pokemon. One boy trains a team of Pokemon to win battles and become a Pokemon Master"
* "A bunch of former scientists in New York who lost their jobs band together to become professional ghost hunters"

I think this is important because I see a lot of people who seem to think that using the same idea as another person is "stealing" their idea of "ripping them off". Someone who writes a coffee shop AU" (which is pretty much a basic concept) in the same fandom as yours? Sorry they aren't stealing anything from you. If they use your words? THAT'S stealing. If all of the characters in the AU have the same backstory as yours? Technically not illegal but stealing a premise.

An idea or a basic concept cannot be stolen because they technically aren't owned by anybody and you can do a lot of different things with them. When I listed 'wizards' earlier as an example, that could have referred to Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, the Young Wizards series, sword and sorcery maybe. A Premise can be be copied /count as "ripping off" because it is a collection of pretty specific ideas.

* difference between the three.

Derp.

I think there's a lot of room to argue about the specific definitions of these terms, but I completely agree about how people need to stop acting like two things sharing a very basic idea makes one of them a rip-off. I hate that so much.

Yeah , I kinda paraphrased those.

I also hate when people think that something that comes after and shares similarities with a popular thing doesn't make it a rip off. Just because something popular doesn't mean the ideas can't be played with again.

Yup. I like when I hear about something similar to a story I'm already familiar with because there are always other directions for a similar story to go in and different aspects of the story that they can focus on.

A very good and relevant point, especially considering secret #10. To be honest, I shake my head a little at writers who worry their idea or concept will be stolen. Chances are, it's been done before. Even the more general premises aren't terribly original, so if someone else writes a story based on a similar premise as you, there are going to be significant differences to your story because they're written by two different people.

I'm pretty sure secret 10 is about copy-paste kind of copy, not of copy of concepts.

I'm pretty sure that saying something is relevant to secret #10 doesn't mean "it's exactly what secret #10 is saying".

So how talking about plagiarism ended in talking about similar concepts?
Not that relevant imo

It's the theft part that's relevant, anon. OP was worried about theft of fanfiction (though technically, OP hasn't written the stories yet so all she has are the ideas), comment was about theft of ideas, concepts and premises. I don't mean to be harsh on you, but if you're determined to police the comments for OTness, the least you could do is read the entire thread.

Or you could talk about stealing ideas WITHOUT making reference to a secret about plagiarism. It's easier IMO
(And pointing something is now policing the comments? Really? Then please call case so he can delete/freeze all my comments)

Just because a secret made you think of something doesn't mean you're talking about that exact situation.

Honestly you're being incredibly defensive about this.

SA

And I'm not talking just about your comment.
Several people in that thread were talking about ideas too.

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[ SECRET POST #2958 ]

sorta inspired by #10

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