[ SECRET POST #366 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #366 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE MSPAINT USE A BACKGROUND COLOR, PLEAAAASE

Secrets Left to Post: 11 pages, 252 secrets from Secret Submission Post #053.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 ] broken links, [ 1 2 ] not!secrets, 0 not!fandom.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Monday, January 7th, 2008.
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[halevy.livejournal.com]

25. WOW I AM SO LATE. DX

I... use fanart sometimes (or mistake fanart for official images) and I'm sorry because I'll feel like a complete hypocrite for typing this out (I use fanart icons, too). It's sad to see you got the comments you expected. I don't care that people say "Oh, it's the Internet". I mean, aren't there people on the other side of the monitors?

Sure, fan art isn't ~*original property*~ but to make some art look real or absolutely beautiful is a talent that should be respected, like writing or singing. If the fan artists asks that you cite sources for their work, don't be a jerk and just do it? Fan artists practice and work hard, from what I've seen. I have a friend who draws the most amazing pictures ever and since he does art classes, he slaves away for a month sometimes on one picture.

I used to write a lot, till my stuff started getting stolen (online and offline) and I was really bugged by that so I stopped. A friend told me I should be "flattered" but... I found it hard? Because it felt like I had worked hard for nothing when I saw the people who took my ideas getting bravos for such "splendid creativity". :/


OKAY WHATEVER. TL;DR I do agree with you. I've seen some icon comms say they'll credit the fan artist if they get a source and when somebody tells them, they don't credit and continue making icons from there. D:


31. I don't care about art. I loved AIR's story. Kanon's was... it was hard for me to get in to.

[laserdragon.livejournal.com]

Mia Fey from Phoenix Wright was brainwashed by Il Palazzo from Excel Saga into being an evil queen but then he broke up with her so she stole his soul which took the form of a stick-figure laserdragon and went on a rampage until her heart was healed by a combination adorably baaaaby rappigs and Maya epically failing to bake a cake.

Yeah it was pretty fucking epic.

[laserdragon.livejournal.com]

Right! From events earlier this year at campfuckudie

Mia Fey from Phoenix Wright was brainwashed by Il Palazzo from Excel Saga into being an evil queen but then he broke up with her so she stole his soul which took the form of a stick-figure laserdragon and went on a rampage until her heart was healed by a combination adorably baaaaby rappigs and Maya epically failing to bake a cake.

It was pretty fucking epic.

[laserdragon.livejournal.com]

I like it. :|b

[halevy.livejournal.com]

I love love love AIR. D:

Not so much for Kanon. >_>;

*NAKED KYOANI ICON*

Re: 14

[selfcontained.livejournal.com]

You're not alone! Tactics <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

...but I also agree with the FFXII love of the secret-poster. OH MAN, DO I EVER.

[laserdragon.livejournal.com]

And also I don't understand the logical leap between making an icon out of fanart and, "treating it like so much dirt." Maybe that's just me?

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[(Anonymous)]

I'm so glad all the bawwww cry moar entitlement people are done, now. It's like they think they own the internet, and everything that gets posted on the internet is THEIRS FOR THE TAKING who cares if it's against the fanartist's wishes? THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE PUT IT ON MY INTERNETZ.

I can objectively see both points, here. Sure, an icon is just 100x100 pixels, and most Japanese fanartists (which is mainly what we're talking about here) don't go looking all over LJ for their art, so what's the harm. They're not losing money or sleep over it, so neither should you, right?

On the other hand, parading around with a picture, icon or whatever is just an amoral thing to do. If you don't know the source, you don't know if the author requested you leave it alone, and if you do know and don't credit, you're an asshole. Sure, you get to walk around with a pretty icon, but if you can't summon the respect for the artist who made the picture enough to even credit or find the source, you don't deserve the image, fanart or not.

Besides, if you paint it off mockingly as 'oh, it's just fanart', then use official art, dumbasses.

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[melime.livejournal.com]

OMG. REALLY. I have to find the dub now, LOL. Fuck yeah Gaeta. <3 I'm so glad he didn't get shot out of the airlock. .__.

Re: 25

[(Anonymous)]

And what if official art of a character doesn't exist? Not all of us are into the popular characters, you know.

[(Anonymous)]

Then you're probably finding arts through browsing sites yourself, and thus you know the source and you can credit. It's not rocket science.

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[kyaa.livejournal.com]

I got here too late to see the secret

BUT I AGREE WITH YOU SO MUCH

I was heavy into CLAMP when I was like, 14-16. The melodrama just annoys me now :/

[kyrakitty.livejournal.com]

14. FFXII was subtle and beautiful. The characters were involved and real. Like people. The story was something complex and realistic (withing the fantasy-esque genre) too. It made you think. It wasn't just another "teenage angst saves the day" story like a lot of other FF stuff.

But most people want broad brush strokes for characters. They can't be assed enough to pay attention to things like subtle details and some of the looks the characters gave each other. Yes, that's right. They showed character development through expressions. Not just through a character explaining their emotion.

BASICALLY, you're not the only person on the internet who feels similarly.

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[kasumi-blue.livejournal.com]

I-I couldn't have put that any better.

I think I love you. Just so you know.

Re: Re 28

[sammywhatammy]

OOOOOH HELLO MARFA 8D

...Lawl.

Yeah, I heard. I'm...not sure how I feel about those yet, honestly xD; I'll have to see.

I really really want/need to dig all my books out of storage and read them again D: I MEES THEM.

Re: 14

[kyrakitty.livejournal.com]

Honestly, I thought the game was really and ensemble cast. Ashe became the main character later, but Vaan started as the lead. But even then, it wasn't very strong for either of them. I think that the game got past needing a huge, obvious lead. You didn't need to directly identify with one character, because you identified a little with all of them.

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[dots.livejournal.com]

That's actually a great way of putting it. I still think of Balthier and Ashe as the "leads," I admit, but like you said, everyone has a little bit of story to tell.

[halevy.livejournal.com]

I agree with this comment a lot. KUDOS.

THIS ICON IS SO APPROPRIATE FOR THIS, TOO.

[frappetique.livejournal.com]

*shrugh* I think it wouldn't hurt to spend like... less than 10 minutes, push the mail button (usually the site have this button right?), and ask them in simple English asking for permission. Usually they will say OK though.

I hate the people who mock this kind of secret with fanart icons / mocking expressions too. So ~considerate~ of them srsly.

[gynophobia.livejournal.com]

I'm an artist, I have a tablet, my back is just fine. If they don't want their art used, there's HTML that prevents print screening imges onto paint or copy/pasta/save right clicky.

If people don't have the right to look at fanart, then the artists shouldn't even post their art.

Also, most of what you said didn't make sense.

Re: 25

[frappetique.livejournal.com]

push the mail button and write in simple English about how you really want to icon xxx character in the owner's gallery is a really nice thing to do. It won't hurt to spend less than 10 minutes, Jeebus!

[(Anonymous)]

Yet you have fanart in your icons? Hypo much?

[(Anonymous)]

O.O THANK YOU SO MUCH for the link.



Just, thank you.

[flutingfrenzy.livejournal.com]

12. Your fonts are way cute.

36. Would it help to imagine her without the ridiculous top? Because that's what I do. (Surely it's not the boots you're referring to. Those are totally stylish.)

44. Your friends are the ones who deserve the mocking. Them and Light.

[elystia.livejournal.com]

No, please try again.

I don't have a problem with using fanart in icons. I have a problem with icon makers using fanart in icons without credit. To the best of my knowledge, all the people I've run into do. It's people who act the way the icon maker in the secret do who piss me off.