[ SECRET POST #366 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #366 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE MSPAINT USE A BACKGROUND COLOR, PLEAAAASE

Secrets Left to Post: 11 pages, 252 secrets from Secret Submission Post #053.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 ] broken links, [ 1 2 ] not!secrets, 0 not!fandom.
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Comments

[shahrizai.livejournal.com]

I believe that the Ivalice team wanted to do a lot more with FFXII, but had to conform to FF series cliches. Vaan? Likely got pushed into the position he did because Square demanded a teenaged boy in the lead. I heard that Basch was originally to be the main character. Vayne? Totally could have been made something more, but wasn't allowed to have the development he should have had.

But I do believe the game superior to FFVII, FFVIII and FFX. Then again, I don't keep my dislike for most of Nomura's characters secret, either.

[(Anonymous)]

FFVIII wasn't really a shining example of story-telling anyway.

I've heard the same rumor about Basch being the main character. If it's true that Square imposed these restrictions on them, then I suppose I should cut the game more slack. But why would they restrict Vayne's development?

And what makes Nomura characters worse than any other character? For god's sakes, he just DESIGNS them. Yoshinori Kitase is the director of most of those games if I remember right. Hold your gripes with him or the scenario writer, not the character designer.

[shahrizai.livejournal.com]

And what makes Nomura characters worse than any other character? For god's sakes, he just DESIGNS them. Yoshinori Kitase is the director of most of those games if I remember right. Hold your gripes with him or the scenario writer, not the character designer.

His characters fall into similar stereotypes in almost every Nomura-designed game, and if it's the scenario writer or director that demands it every time, then he gets a pass, but many of those stereotypes are absent in the Amano and Yoshida games. But Vincent/Auron quiet, tragic bishie, Yuffie/Selphie/Rikku (people try to group Penelo in there, but she's been hit by the cluestick and seems to have a lot more common sense than these 3), Cloud/Squall emo, Aeris/Rinoa/Yuna gentle, soft girl...

Well, okay, I'm a bit sick of his art style too. I prefer Basch's potholder anyway. ;) But to each their own!

[parron.livejournal.com]

But Vincent/Auron quiet, tragic bishie, Yuffie/Selphie/Rikku (people try to group Penelo in there, but she's been hit by the cluestick and seems to have a lot more common sense than these 3), Cloud/Squall emo, Aeris/Rinoa/Yuna gentle, soft girl...

Basch/Balthier the tragic/quiet bishie, Fran the fanservice, Ashe the emo boy, Vaan the cheerful thief, Penelo the young fanservice/gentle soft magic user.... yes, 12 is really far from those stereotypes!

Personally? Here's what I think. There is no clue stick that needs to hit Rikku et all - she's a smart girl. But since there's more to her personality than the fact that she's perceptive and intelligent (perhaps not in a book sense, but there's more than one kind in the world), it's easy to ignore. Penelo? No personality to speak of, so, "oh! she's smart!" becomes better praise for her.

I really despise people that put down one character to elevate another like that. Every character in every FF ever is a stereotype to a degree - some more so than others, granted. But to claim that 12 has the only mature, unique characters? It's fine that you like them, but don't be silly about it.

[parron.livejournal.com]

We're not talking about, "FF12 where Basch was the main character and Vayne had more development," we're talking about the game that was made and we actually played. You can't say "it was supposed to be like this!" as an example of proof why the game is good. Even if it was meant to be that way - I have heard that rumor as well - the fact is that it wasn't.

So as interesting as the idea is - and I think it sounds like the game would have been much better with both - it is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.

And I agree with the anon about character designer vs. director. If you don't like how Nomura draws, hey, that's something we can discuss. But he doesn't actually create the characterizations.

[(Anonymous)]

I was under the impression Nomura has some sort of say and influence in the actual character development, beyond drawing them.

Like, I try to imagine how Squall would have developed without that fur -lined jacket, or if Tidus actually wore pants instead of those mismatched things...

[parron.livejournal.com]

He does, but I think only to a degree? I remember that he said that for Tidus, he was given a list that included things like "foreign looking" and "an athlete," and that in FF8 he was surprised when they made Quistis a teacher based on her character design.

[shahrizai.livejournal.com]

I was surfing the IGN message boards one day and someone had posted about how much more interesting the game would have been if Al-Cid was the main guy instead of Vaan. I heartily agree!