[ SECRET POST #2977 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2977 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Paul Darrow]


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[Dragon Age: Inquisition]


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(Bee and Puppycat)


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[Joan Watson, Elementary]


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(Marvel's Agents of Shield)


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[One Piece]


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[Noah Emmerich, The Americans]


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[Teen Wolf]


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15. [ WARNING for rape ]



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16. [ WARNING for dubcon? ]










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Comments

[fscom]

07. http://i.imgur.com/AH2PCRg.jpg

[(Anonymous)]

I have NEVER complained about emotionless tough girls. Personally, I hate that female characters are only allowed to be cool badasses if they're slinky fuckpots or weepy-weeps with family problems. I want lady Dredds and lady Plisskens.

But my objections to Croft and such as are lost in a big shuffle, so I don't blame you for mixing me up with the rest of them. I've made the same mistake about other people's arguments.

[(Anonymous)]

The weepy weeps thing kinda makes it sound like you should be lumped in with those other people.

[(Anonymous)]

So... you want badass female characters that are boring and unrealistic in the same way boring and unrealistic badass male characters are? Fair enough. Personally I don't want fewer weepy badass female characters, I want more weepy badass male characters.

[blitzwing]

You need people of all kinds. Not everyone is interesting, not everyone shows their emotions. Give us the weepy, give us the stoic, give us all of 'em.

[(Anonymous)]

I think belittling people for liking escapist characters is foolish, especially since there's a dearth of those characters in a particular sex.

[(Anonymous)]

leave

[(Anonymous)]

rude

[feotakahari]

I've been trying to avoid politicizing it, but I like the reboot, too. I think her feeling of vulnerability at the start works for the whole "A Survivor is Born" thing, showing how she grows as she faces adversity. You could certainly apply a feminist reading to this female character fighting and killing men who want to take away women's autonomy, but I like to read her in comparison to the protagonists of survival horror games as they struggle to fight back against the monsters around them.

[dancing_clown]

I've come to the conclusion that very few people who complain about what they aren't getting in their media actually want that thing. They just want something to complain about.

[sarillia]

Nah, I think they want it but a lot of them have really narrow standards for what counts as the thing they want. If it doesn't match up perfectly with the thing in their head then it's wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

Never give the fans what they say they want. If they knew what they wanted, they wouldn't be fans.

http://www.simpsonsworld.com/video/317846595550/related/317846595801

This remains truth.

Transcript

[(Anonymous)]

Image: Lara Croft from the Tomb Raider reboot

Text: I can't stand the people who say she's not actually a strong or feminist female character because she has moments of vulnerability and cries in the reboot.

Y'all keep complaining about how people seem to think "strong female character" means "tough but emotionless". You keep saying you want female characters that are well-rounded and allowed to show emotion.

WELL WE FUCKING GOT ONE, AND SHE'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU, EITHER.

BTW, crying isn't shameful or weak!

[dethtoll]

The "strong female character" -- with all its inherent, unfeminist flaws -- stopped being relevant after Joss Whedon started milking it for all it was worth.

Complex female characters, I think, are what's needed, not a 2D cutout.

[(Anonymous)]

Spot on, especially about the Joss Hardass Girl.

[(Anonymous)]

I see people say this about Whedon's "strong female characters" pretty frequently now but I never thought they were 2D cutouts to begin with, even the physically strong, badass ones.

[(Anonymous)]

You could argue that young!Lara's vulnerabilites got exploited in that game for the benefit of a male audience (if I remember correctly the goal was revealed in that infamous interview to have players feel protective of her instead of identifying with her, which I guess could be supported in how some of the cutscenes of her breaking down are framed?), but apart from that I'll agree that young!Lara was awesome, I loved playing her, and people who complain about her not being strong need to go cry elsewhere.

[elaminator]

if I remember correctly the goal was revealed in that infamous interview to have players feel protective of her instead of identifying with her

*sigh* That fucking interview... That interview confounds me; I found it extremely easy to sympathize and identify with her, and not in a "Don't touch my precious Lara!" kind of way either. I felt badass and brave and (kind of vengeful, lol) it was a great experience! (I haven't been keeping up with games lately tbh, but I'm so looking forward to Rise of the Tomb Raider. ...Except for the underwater sections, because fuck swimming.)

[a_potato]

Shit. That's...incredibly disappointing.

On the plus side, I don't think it had the intended effect at all. But, then again, I'm female.

[gabzillaz]

The interview put me off the game for months. I agree that once you play it, the feeling is completely different.

[a_potato]

...people say that? Huh.

I have mixed feelings about the reboot (story-wise, anyway; I found the gameplay to be very fun). Some of it is rather maudlin and eye roll-worthy. That said, I did like the way Lara's character was developed, how she transitioned from being a reluctant survivor to being pissed off and out for blood. I'm also of the mind that her ability to keep going and to do what needs doing, despite the effects of her trauma, reflects a great deal of strength.

[herpymcderp]

The problem with Lara in that game, for me at least, wasn't that she was struggling and crying and breaking down. It wasn't that she was a female character doing it. It wasn't any of those things. It was strictly to do with how believable it all was.

Her breaking down and crying is a perfectly reasonable reaction to her situation, and one that I kind of wish all video game protagonists would have to more of a degree.

I'd like to contrast it to Jason Brody's reaction (Far Cry 3) though, and you'll see why I find Lara's lacking and kind of demeaning. See, J. Bro also flipped his shit when he got dropped into a bad situation full of people trying to kill him and was forced to kill someone for the first time. He sees his older brother shot through the neck in front of, Lara sees her camera guy gutted and wakes up in a pit of bodies. In either case, a little breakdown is warranted, definitely.

The difference between Lara and Jason Brody, is that for Lara...her reaction is rote as hell. She cries for a bit, and that's it. In the next sequence she's off killing half a dozen people by strangling them or stabbing them in the neck with no emotion whatsoever. In fact, she just seems to get better as time goes on, with very little reference to any of her own emotions.

In Jason's case we continually see through cutscenes the psychological backlash and the change in character occurring over the course of his time trapped on the islands, and it's a progressive loss of sanity and rational thinking that serves the story well. He doesn't just become an awesome badass with no repercussions; he gets forcibly dragged into the drug-fuelled nightmare of the people holding him there, and even starts to develop Stockholm syndrome.

tl;dr There's also none of the disturbing "rape makes women stronger" sentiment that surrounds the development of Lara's game. That's why reactions to her character arc are less than positive. It's not that she cried in the first place, it's how the game treats her afterward.

[(Anonymous)]

Real people react to those kinds of things in different way. Not everyone goes insane from going through traumatic events. It sounds like you're saying there's only one right way to be traumatized, which is almost offensive.

[(Anonymous)]

The thing I like best about this Lara is that she's portrayed as human, as women should be - but is also very strong mentally and emotionally. She's tough but still realistic. I don't have a pron with superhuman women that have no emotions and whatnot but I'm a big fan of dynamic, well-rounded strong women characters

[(Anonymous)]

Damn right!
+crying is a strong trait, it can take a lot of courage to show emotions HA