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⌈ Secret Post #2977 ⌋

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[Paul Darrow]

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[Dragon Age: Inquisition]

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(Bee and Puppycat)

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[Joan Watson, Elementary]

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(Marvel's Agents of Shield)

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[One Piece]

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[Noah Emmerich, The Americans]

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[Teen Wolf]

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15. [ WARNING for rape ]

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So you're assuming they're really straight and just making it all up? Just like the OP was saying?

Ehhhhh, DA, but there are straight people who use the newer 'special' sexualities and claim to be 'queer'. I'm Asexual and I've distanced myself from the ace community because I couldn't agree with all the het-mantic people claiming they were queer because they didn't have sexual attraction.

The way I see it, yeah, it's not normal, but no one is going to deny you rights/attack you/murder you because you aren't having sex and or don't have sexual attraction.

Maybe this runs more fundamental than I realized.

What value do you think the queer label serves, if any? That is to say, how do you think the world is better for having the "queer" label than if the term had never been invented?

The way I'd answer is that the queer label shows that you don't fit the straight label--it's a way of taking all the assumptions wrapped up in being straight and saying "This isn't me." I don't think it's very common to be truly 100% straight, so I'm all for more folks calling themselves queer. The more people reject the assumption, the less legitimacy it retains.

DA

For me, it's a community term for those of us that have suffered genuine oppression (lost jobs, refused housing/medical care, threatened with violence, etc.) at the hands of the current and yes, still very much legitimate straight/cis societal institutions. Which is why people literally pulling random terms out of thin air to "queerify" their orientations, who have never experienced an ounce of hardship for it outside a side-eye or two, sort of feels like a slap in the face.

Genuine oppression, as opposed to non-genuine oppression? To try to draw an analogy, I would never, ever tell someone that they're not genuinely ill because my illness is so much worse than theirs.

Yes, as in non-genuine oppression. As in "someone thinks my made-up orientation doesn't exist, I'm so oppressed :(((((", the sort of thing that takes away from the lived experiences of queer people that have had real-life, terrible consequences for being queer. I'm sorry, but I completely refuse to put hurt feelings on the same caliber as being thrown out of your home, or physically attacked, or denied housing and medical care.

You know how "queer" is a reclaimed word? We took a term used in violence against us and made it out own. It's ours because we earned it. And maybe not everyone that feels like it gets to use it too.

This sounds way too reminiscent of when antifeminists mock women for complaining about things like workplace sexism. "You just want to be oppressed! No one's really being sexist towards you!"

It's more like white people doing they're just as affected by racism as black people. Or American Christians saying they're persecuted because they have to see space with non-Christians. There's definitely a difference between how certain groups are treated in society, and I think you're being a bit disingenuous about it, here.

Hmm . . . I don't like the term "white," but I would definitely say that racial discrimination includes many people who have light skin. I'm not really qualified to discuss discrimination against Christians, but I don't see the analogy, unless there are Christians who're claiming they're Muslims and should be included under the Muslim label. I don't think either of these make your argument.

Queer is a term used by people who are oppressed/in danger in society. If you're still enjoying all the perks of being a Heterosexual, sanz the sex part, then no, you're not queer. If you're straight, but only get attracted to opposite gendered people when you know them/love them, you're not queer.

You may be different, but you're not persecuted.

I'm not even going to pretend to be polite about this. I would sooner stick a chainsaw up my ass than allow anyone--ANYONE--to ever tell me that I'm not queer.

(And seriously, "the perks of a heterosexual"? Not having rocks thrown at you is a perk? Or are you talking about marriage, in which case Erika Moen might have a bigger bone to pick with you than I do?)

Right, sorry, but if you're Cis gendered and only feel attracted to people of the opposite sex, then you're not queer. You will never be queer, and it's insulting that you want to pretend to be.

"I'm Demisexual you guys! Don't you understand that only having sex with people of the opposite sex who you love is exactly the same as being chained to a truck and dragged to death?! It's totally the same! Having a guy murder you because you were born the wrong gender and presented otherwise is totally the same thing as having to get to know someone before I bang them!"

You disgust me.

Yeah, there's a very "guys, no seriously, I'm oppressed because I'm Christian" vibe about this, isn't there?

Very. I get that it's a thing now to jump on the oppression bandwagon, because it's totally not like cool to not like be oppressed! But cis-gendered het-romantic 'demis" are not discriminated for their gender identity or their sexuality. Comparing being called a prude once in a while is not at all the same thing as having to worry about your parents disowning you/making you homeless because you're gay/trans.

It's like those white people who indulge in black culture, and then get uppity when someone calls them out on it. Yeah, black culture is great, especially when you get to skip all the 'icky' stuff like racial profiling, police brutality, high poverty rates, and so on.

Thanks for proving that "demisexuals" are special snowflakes who want to co-opt a label to make themselves feel important.

I'm a little bothered by this, because it means that bi people aren't queer, since they're able to pass as straight.

Bisexual is included, obviously. Maybe I should have made that clearer, but when you're cis-gendered and only attracted to the opposite gender, be it romantically or after you got to know them, you're still considered straight. No one is going to rally against you getting married, no one is going to murder you when they find out you're "demisexual", no is going to say you're a sinner or evil because you only sleep with people you love.

Straight demisexuals are essentially the most well accepted sexuality there is, at least when it comes to the religious mindset of "don't have sex for sex/out of marriage".

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