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Anyone else keeping up with this right now? What are your feelings on the "final exam"? I think it's unnecessary bullshit, although it does go in line with the spirit of the fic, and I'm sure he's actually written out the real ending already. But I'm still annoyed.

This fic is such a hot mess.

Oh man. I stopped reading around chapter 50. What's happening now?

It's easiest just to scroll to the ending of the latest chapter than explain (the italicized bit): http://hpmor.com/chapter/113

TL;DR: The readers have 60 hours to come up with a way to save Harry's life, or the story will get a "shorter and sadder ending". Again, I'm sure the writer has actually already written out the ending and this is just teasing the readers, but I'm annoyed on principle. I've read a few novels worth of this trainwreck (although it does have many things I genuinely enjoy, but also enough of other things that stop me from reccing it to others), just give me closure.

Oh jeeze. That's shitty.

I was hoping no one would review just to see what the author would do then. Would he keep to his word? Let his epic fic crash and burn?

But, naw, looked in the comments and tooons of answers.

Too bad. I was expecting too much from his fanbase, I'm afraid.

If I hadn't already jumped ship from losing interest, this would. I hate when authors ~hold chapters hostage~ or make it ~up to the reader~. No fuck you I'm out.

I only read completely a few of the newer chapters and skimmed the rest, but basically this:

-Hermione died (crushed by a troll or something? idk)
-Voldemort was fucking around with Harry as Cloak-and-dagger, mind-controlling and mind-wiping various students and even professor Sprout; he tried to seduce Hermione to the dark side and/or kill and/or manipulated her but she refused so he obliviated her and carried on with his plans anyway
-Immediately as Hermione died, Trelawney made a prophecy that Harry would end the world
-Voldemort reveals himself to Harry. He's possessing Quirrel.
-Harry himself is a new type of horcrux (of which Voldemort made over a hundred before he lost count) that doesn't chip away or weaken Voldemort's sanity or strength, and he is pretty much a Tom Riddle with only subconscious access to his old memories.
-Voldemort stupidly tried to avoid the prophecy of Harry killing him, so making him a horcrux was an accident. It did not kill him, just made him hide
-The Halloween 1981 night happened because Voldemort's magic resonated with Harry-as-a-horcrux (same reason it did that wonky thing on Azkaban when they rescue Bellatrix) so he is wary of Harry, if otherwise confident in his own immortality
-"Voldemort" is a persona Tom Riddle invented, along with some other random wizard, to "play" at conquering the world. He plays up the "villain" traits as Voldemort. He's much more intelligent and calculating.
-He tried being a good guy, but he's a genuine sociopath so it did nothing for him
-Oh, and you can't lie in Parseltongue because of something Salazar Slytherin did? or something idk
-OH, and Harry decided to revive Hermione.
-Voldemort forced Harry to help him get to the place where Dumbledore hid the Philosopher's Stone by threatening to kill everyone in Hogwarts via a mysterious method (curse, poison, who knows!) he had activated earlier and only he can stop PLUS he promised to revive Hermione for Harry
-The Philosopher's stone actually makes transfigurations permanent, rather than the things they say it does, but to someone smart and powerful enough it can be the way to live eternally
-SADLY, Voldemort had already stolen the PHilosopher's stone, so Dumbledore's trap with the mirror (it was played different, he was inside the mirror, ready to sacrifice himself to trap Voldemort) failed when he saw Harry was next to Voldemort. Dumbledore tried to reverse the spell but made himself disappear instead
-Voldemort brought Harry to a cemetery, and is reviving Hermione (she doesn't wake up yet), and even did magic to make her all but unkillable and made her a horcrux
-Voldemort summoned all the Death Eaters, made Harry make an elaborate Vow to not destroy the world, and now told all the Death Eaters to kill Harry in a very ridiculously long way to ensure that Harry cannot destroy the world
-Oh and he told the Death Eaters that in two days they'll rule Britain and kill all remaining opposition

FOR REAL, it seems like the only reason Voldemort revived Hermione was to make sure Harry really didn't try anything stupid until he was surrounded, and the only reason he didn't kill Harry until now was to make sure that the world wouldn't end until he put protections (the vow) in place against that

Now he promised Harry that he has 60 seconds to give him knew knowledge, and that for each bit of new knowledge Voldemort learns, he will spare one person Harry names and make sure they are honored in the new world as ruled by Voldemort, otherwise he will kill everyone Harry cares about

I... I.

Well.

Yeah, pretty much.

It's either reacting with that, or with:

:/

So, uh, that's certainly a thing.

This is your final exam.

You have 60 hours.

Your solution must at least allow Harry to evade immediate death,
despite being naked, holding only his wand, facing 36 Death Eaters
plus the fully resurrected Lord Voldemort.

If a viable solution is posted before
*12:01AM Pacific Time* (8:01AM UTC) on Tuesday, March 3rd, 2015,
the story will continue.

Otherwise you will get a shorter and sadder ending.

Keep in mind the following:

1. Harry must succeed via his own efforts. The cavalry is not coming.
Everyone who might want to help Harry thinks he is at a Quidditch game.

2. Harry may only use capabilities the story has already mentioned;
he cannot develop wordless wandless Legilimency in the next 60 seconds.
Of course, Harry may find more clever ways to use abilities
he has already been established to have.

3. Voldemort is evil and cannot be persuaded to be good;
the Dark Lord's utility function cannot be changed by talking to him.

4. If Harry raises his wand or speaks in anything except Parseltongue,
the Death Eaters will fire on him immediately.

5. If the simplest timeline is otherwise one where Harry dies -
if Harry cannot reach his Time-Turner without Time-Turned help -
then the Time-Turner will not come into play.

6. It is impossible to tell lies in Parseltongue.

Within these constraints,
Harry is allowed to attain his full potential as a rationalist,
now in this moment or never,
regardless of his previous flaws.

Of course 'the rational solution',
if you are using the word 'rational' correctly,
is just a needlessly fancy way of saying 'the best solution'
or 'the solution I like' or 'the solution I think we should use',
and you should usually say one of the latter instead.
(We only need the word 'rational' to talk about ways of thinking,
considered apart from any particular solutions.)

And by Vinge's Principle,
if you know exactly what a smart mind would do,
you must be at least that smart yourself.

So what I mean in practice,
when I say Harry is allowed to attain his full potential as a rationalist,
is that Harry is allowed to solve this problem
any way YOU would solve it.
If you can tell me exactly how to do something,
Harry is allowed to think of it.

But it does not serve as a solution to say, for example,
"Harry should persuade Voldemort to let him out of the box"
if you can't yourself figure out how.

The rules on Fanfiction dot Net allow at most one review per chapter.
Please submit *ONLY ONE* review of Ch. 113, to submit one suggested solution.

For the best experience, if you have not already been following
Internet conversations about recent chapters, I suggest not doing so,
trying to complete this exam on your own,
not looking at other reviews,
and waiting for Ch. 114 to see how you did.

I wish you all the best of luck, or rather the best of skill.

Ch. 114 will post at 10AM Pacific (6PM UTC) on Tuesday, March 3rd, 2015.

lmao who is this wanker

Eliezer Yudkowsky, ladies and gentlemen.

This is the man who once compared calling yourself a Christian who doesn't support intolerance to calling yourself a Nazi who doesn't support genocide. And no, I will never let anyone forget that bullshit.

You just dislike him because you're jealous of how smart he is, obviously. It's very clearly explained in this comment: http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/03/17/what-universal-human-experiences-are-you-missing-without-realizing-it/#comment-45814

(This is sarcasm, I agree that he is ridiculous and I think this comment is ridiculous)

serious question: is he on the autistic spectrum?

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(Anonymous) - 2015-03-01 08:07 (UTC) - Expand

Why are giant HP fanfic authors so touched up in the head?

TBH it always kind of surprises me that people take HPMOR seriously even a little.

I was soured on this fic quite early in my attempt to read it because, if I recall correctly, the change was supposedly that Petunia married someone different, and that happened because Lily agreed to magic her beautiful.

There are like 50 more things like that (things that aren't just evidence of the author not getting the canon he writes for DEMENTORS DO NOT STAND FOR DEATH THEY STAND FOR DEPRESSION, GAWD) in the first half of the story.

It is not a good story.

The fact that there are not one but two cult leader Harry Potter fanfiction authors in this world will never not be amazing to me.

In fairness to E.Y., while I find him annoying, AFAIK he's not anywhere close to being a cult leader or as bad as Andy Blake. He's just kind of an annoying twit.

I mean, he might not be quite as bad as Andy Blake, but he's totally got some sort of techno-cult going on.

They all believe that the world is progressing inevitably towards the creation of an omnipotent godlike AI while will inevitably endlessly torture simulated versions of anyone who didn't do everything in their power to hasten its arrival, and so therefore they have to pour funding and manpower into building this creation as soon as humanly possible so they can avoid being tortured. (The simulated you being tortured is also the real you, for philosophical reasons I don't fully grasp.)

They call it Roko's basilisk.

I'm familiar with the community, I just don't think it's accurate to call it a cult. It's a bunch of people with kooky fringe beliefs. That doesn't make it a cult and it's unfair to them to call it one. At least until they actually start acting like one.

(Also AFAIK the Roko's basilisk thing specifically does not seem like it's necessarily a core belief universally held by people in the community we're talking about here)

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