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fandomsecrets2015-03-26 06:56 pm
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[ SECRET POST #3004 ]
⌈ Secret Post #3004 ⌋
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Re: Unpopular RL Opinions
(Anonymous) 2015-03-27 02:45 am (UTC)(link)What most people don't realize is that the most of the leaders of these terrorist groups (and by leaders, I mean like the big guys), tend to be actual predators from affluent countries and affluent backgrounds, with a lot of education and resources. They then use this privilege to essentially extort the poverty and ignorance that small, conservative communities live in, and offer money and resources in return for their service to their religion.
And when they don't prey on the conservative communities, they prey on idealistic, untested patriotic and religious youths who have been sheltered most of their lives from the harsh realities of their countries experiences.
When people start bitching about the countries with the terrorist extremism need to handle it, it makes me want to throttle them. Many of these terrorist groups are the legitimate authority in their country-- they are actually "elected" into power. When they aren't, they have bought large swathes of people in authority to make sure that the legitimate government won't challenge their actions.
One of my Arabic professors literally told us a story when she still lived in Lebanon. Apparently, there was to be a showdown between Hizbollah and another upstart group of assholes. The police showed up to the party to try to get them to turn away, and the leaders in Hizbollah simply told them, "Look. You really should just go, there's no reason for you to die." And the police left. This was in the 2000s, so it wasn't that long ago, and in a country that isn't always known for its terrorist hotbeds.
This is really just a very short cover of why I think outside military presence against terrorist extremism is justified. I could write a whole thesis on this.
And before anyone launches into "well maybe we should just stay out of their business/stop taking their oil/planting false leaders and stop killing them and things will chill down," bitch please. The Near and Middle East as regions (and Africa) are more than capable enough of generating their own problems that Western influence is hardly a drop in the millenia of strife in those regions.
This isn't to say that Western countries haven't fucked up big time over there, but trust me, extremism that has had legitimate rule in countries for decades hardly needs justification to act.
Re: Unpopular RL Opinions
(Anonymous) 2015-03-27 03:57 am (UTC)(link)well, i think the argument would be more that if we weren't doing all that shit, the problems that arose out of those societies would be less likely to manifest in the form of terrorism and violence against us, specifically.
i mean, i don't have a problem with military action against terrorism in principle. but i do think it should be relatively constrained by our actual interests. and i tend to think that our interests are much less expansive than others seem to.
Re: Unpopular RL Opinions
(Anonymous) 2015-03-27 04:24 am (UTC)(link)>the problems that arose out of those societies would be less likely to manifest in the form of terrorism and violence against us, specifically.
Probably not. Western ideals, from the religious to the social, are just enough at odds that they will launch attacks unprovoked, given opportunity and unthreatening opposition.
There have been literally dozens of unsuccessful attacks by specifically Islamic extremists against the United States after 9/11. The only reason they weren't successful and haven't been more of them is because our methods against them are effective.
And besides, they also target non-Western groups unprovoked that have no method of defense, and have been terrorizing them for decades, but this has mostly been offshoots of religious sect differences and tribal warfare. Once the guys from Saudia Arabia and Kuwait and Beirut got involved (around the 1980s), their goals shifted to the West.
These guys aren't just attacking out of self defense, and their continued attacks aren't self defense. They're organizing for the specific purpose of causing harm to groups of people that fit the profile that opposes their religious/political/social ideals.