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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-04-03 06:39 pm

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[personal profile] fscom 2015-04-03 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
[Image: A screenshot of pokemon black/white]
"This game made me realize I don't actually want a pokemon game with a plot."

[personal profile] manzana 2015-04-03 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)
I realized this with Ruby/Sapphire. orz I just want to explore and battle people!
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[personal profile] caerbannog 2015-04-03 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Same. I don't care for the plots, I just want different maps and different pokemon. *presses b as fast as possible in cut scenes*
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[personal profile] badass_tiger 2015-04-03 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreed. I didn't even realise BW had a plot until I heard people raving about it, I was too busy falling in love with new Pokemon. While I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting more plot in Pokemon, I think people who complain about the games' lack of plot probably aren't going to be satisfied any time soon. Other than special episodes like the Delta Episode, Game Freak are always going to want to put the focus on the Pokemon.
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[personal profile] praetorian_guard 2015-04-03 11:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't mind them trying to put in a bit of plot, it helps break up the tedium for me a bit? It would be boring for me to just go from one gym to another without any breaks in between. Though if they'd take out the plots and put in some fun side quests I wouldn't say no.

(Anonymous) 2015-04-03 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
To me, I need plot of some sort. If I wanted to just run around and fight people and explore, there's thousands of free MMOs for that and I wouldn't have to spend a dime on it.
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[personal profile] kallanda_lee 2015-04-04 12:00 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah...I know what you mean.

[personal profile] thezmage 2015-04-04 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
I'm fine with a plot, just not that plot. The whole thing unravels when you pull that string and Nintendo really should have known better
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2015-04-04 04:50 am (UTC)(link)
?? what do you mean by that

[personal profile] thezmage 2015-04-04 05:44 pm (UTC)(link)
Pokemon is a game in which you go around beating up animals, capturing them, and force them to fight others. It's good from a gameplay set up, but it's pretty much impossible to justify morally. Having a game that repeatedly hammers the issue like black and white did calls attention to that moral issue in a way that the game is unable to accurately deal with.
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2015-04-05 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
I guess it depends on the approach you take to Pokemon biology. I never actually considered them animals - I think I always assumed they were in a separate clade from animals, plants, or anything else we're familiar with, even before I knew what that meant. They don't seem to experience pain or long-term physical damage the way Earth life does. It's fiction, so I willingly suspend my disbelief to basically say they can fight very dramatically without (in most cases) really endangering their lives. After all, it's canon that they often seem to enjoy it.

So, no, I don't agree that the game is unable to accurately deal with the issue in Black and White. In fact I think it deals with it pretty well.

(Anonymous) 2015-04-05 04:45 pm (UTC)(link)
The problem with BW wasn't that they handled the issue at all, it was that they didn't handle it well. Plasma begin to raise some interesting points about the morality of what Pokémon Trainers do and let's face it, realistically, they had some very interesting points.

But they decided that after all the interesting stuff with morality, Plasma's actual goal wasn't Pokémon liberation at all, and it was really a front for Ghetsis' world domination ambition, which wasn't anywhere near as interesting.

If they were going to run the 'is this really what's right for Pokémon?' storyline, they should've either seen it through to the end and not have had Plasma be a front, or they should've handled such an idea a lot sooner. It's an interesting idea for a plot, it's just too little too late to have attempted it in gen 5, when that's such a long time after the games have gotten going.
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[personal profile] cloud_riven 2015-04-04 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
As long as the evil menace teams are funny or interesting, I'll suffer through the plot.

I'll also take less uninspired friendship characters who are definitely not my rival (or my equal, because I tend to imagine the PC as an utter dick when I play).
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[personal profile] othellia 2015-04-04 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
I still don't get the claim that Black/White had anymore plot than the other games.
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[personal profile] otakugal15 2015-04-04 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
The plots are better and it's not so stagnant.
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[personal profile] dinogrrl 2015-04-04 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah I remember that plot the least of any Pokemon game I've played, despite it seeming like they were trying the hardest of any game I've played.

But my perception could be skewed a bit, since I was young when I got into the games and was probably paying attention more to the entire game than I do now. Nowadays I just want to battle my pokemon dammit.
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2015-04-04 04:52 am (UTC)(link)
Wow I'm really surprised how many people agree with this.

I loved the plot in BW. It ties with RSE for my favorite plot in Pokemon.

And I like having a plot in Pokemon games - it's not the biggest factor, but I think it's fun. In general, though, I love games with a variety of cool elements - with Pokemon, I like plot, art, music, Pokemon concepts, battle mechanics, a certain level of challenge, cool maps, new gimmicks, etc. etc....it's all important.

(Anonymous) 2015-04-04 06:04 am (UTC)(link)
god I hated everything about B&W, why did it get a sequel of all games

(Anonymous) 2015-04-04 01:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I'd like the games to continue having some kind of story, I just want them to be better than the half-finished mess we got in XY.
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[personal profile] diet_poison 2015-04-05 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
XY was a letdown in many ways after BW. It was fun, but it wasn't as amazing to experience for the first time as BW was, imo.