[ SECRET POST #3018 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3018 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Gunnerkrigg Court]


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[One Punch Man]


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(Victorian Farm)


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[Jojo's Bizarre Adventure]


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[Totally Spies]


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[The Middle]


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[The Blacklist]


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[Biolabs (Ragnarok Online)]


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[Gravity Falls, Adventure Time, My Little Pony, Steven Universe]


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[One Piece]


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[Vikings]


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[American Horror Story: Freakshow]


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(Major Crimes)


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[Kids in the Hall]


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[Twin Peaks]








Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 036 secrets from Secret Submission Post #431.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom (if you're going to ship politicians, go ahead, but this is just pure politics) ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, because that's far less self-serving than, say, Doctors without Borders.

[(Anonymous)]

Those guys just do it so their resume looks better for when they apply for chief of internal medicine.

[(Anonymous)]

Wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

Not everyone can be a doctor, m'am (or sir), and being a doctor certainly comes with more social acclaim than being a fangirl (or boy, or other/s).

[(Anonymous)]

OP said "one example" not "the only example".

[(Anonymous)]

But how on earth is passing copyrighted material around so that people don't have to pay for it even remotely altruistic?

Working at a shelter or a food bank or a soup kitchen is altruistic. Making completely anonymous donations is altruistic.

Feh.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

It's certainly not altruistic to the actual creators of said copyrighted material who have to deal with increasingly diminishing returns to the point where artists and writers can no longer afford to be artists and writers.

[blitzwing]

So why are there creators and media companies who say that piracy often increases visibility for the product and increases overall sales?

Or go so far as the Time Warner CEO and say mass piracy of their show is "better than an Emmy"?

(http://lifehacker.com/how-piracy-benefits-companies-even-if-they-dont-admit-1649353452)

[(Anonymous)]

yes and no. I can't speak for other industries, but...

As someone who works in the manga industry, yes, piracy does hurt sales. A lot. And everyone in the industry knows it. Translators these days make less than half of what they did in the 90's. LESS THAN HALF. And letterers, editors... wages for everyone are down. The industry is leaking talent. And it absolutely does affect the Japanese side of the industry, too. Most Japanese manga artists are basically living in poverty and need every cent they can get.

[blitzwing]

wages for everyone are down.

Wages are down in almost every industry. Piracy can't be to blame for all of them. You're assuming piracy is the root cause of the decline in wages in your industry, but is there proof of that?

[(Anonymous)]

It's ironic that the creators of Mystery Science Theater 3000 --who are credited with originating this phrase-- appended it to their own work because they knew it was an integral part of building their fanbase.

[(Anonymous)]

I like how you say this as if there was a time when the vast majority of artists and writers could afford to be artists and writers.

(Hint: they've never been able to. Until and unless you hit it big, you've always been either starving or having to work a "day job")

[(Anonymous)]

I think in a lot of "share the tapes" situations - which I think is, at the very least, a distinct subset of piracy as a whole - the whole point is that there's no way to pay for it, so the question of rewarding the creators doesn't even entire into it.

Which is why the creators are often okay with it, like in MST3K where the phrase originated IIRC.

[(Anonymous)]

Imagine you're a Star Trek fan in Australia in the 80s and early 90s. No-one is broadcasting it, for some reason only four episodes are legally sold on video, there's no internet to download anything. Lovely people sent video cassettes all the way from the US and Canada at their own expense (and other fans converted NTSC to PAL format) just so that other fans could enjoy Star Trek. No payments were lost because at the time there was literally no way to legally watch the show. And, of course, as soon as it was available here, we all watched and bought it.

[(Anonymous)]

...you know what, I think Doctors Without Borders is fucking fantastic, but that is such a smug, facile response to this secret that I'm going to prove it wrong just because you annoy me.

"Keep circulating the tapes" is, in fact, a better wide-spectrum example of human altruism than Doctors Without Borders.

Dw/oB is universally respected because they are carrying out a fundamental principle of most of the world's religious and moral systems. They are ministering to the sick and dying, at personal risk, with no significant compensation. With the stakes very high, they make a definitive moral choice to do what is supported by millennia of moral teaching. There are at present about 30,000 employees and volunteers with the organization, but about 90% of those are hired locally at project locations, so that's about 3,000 who have straight-up made that high-stakes moral choice. And good for them, we can all agree.

Fans circulating fanworks and bootlegs, however, have no stakes. There is no religion that teaches the Parable Of The Torrent Seeder. There is no political philosophy that advocates for AO3 tag wrangling. There is nobody telling us to share the things that bring us joy, and there are a lot of people telling us we should not. But we do. When something brings us joy, we feel that overwhelming, evangelistic urge, that sometimes uncontrollable desire to share this joy with other people, so they can feel the same happiness we do and we can then magnify both our happiness by squeeing over it together like total fucking dorks. And there are millions if not billions of us.

You think the aliens should be impressed that a few of us can make a choice to be altruistic when it really matters. I think they should be impressed that at least half of us feel an overwhelming urge to be altruistic even when it demonstrably DOESN'T matter.

So I guess the question is whether we're arguing that altruism is an intrinsic component of humanity. Which... oh, right, that is the case we're trying to make. Well then.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Thank you, anon. Thank you.