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fandomsecrets2015-04-09 06:29 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2015-04-09 06:29 pm
[ SECRET POST #3018 ]
⌈ Secret Post #3018 ⌋
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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[Gunnerkrigg Court]
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[One Punch Man]
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(Victorian Farm)
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[Jojo's Bizarre Adventure]
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[The Middle]
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[The Blacklist]
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[Gravity Falls, Adventure Time, My Little Pony, Steven Universe]
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[American Horror Story: Freakshow]
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[Kids in the Hall]
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[Twin Peaks]
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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom (if you're going to ship politicians, go ahead, but this is just pure politics) ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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(Anonymous) 2015-04-10 01:38 am (UTC)(link)Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence.
And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.
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(Anonymous) 2015-04-10 01:44 am (UTC)(link)it's guranteed to be mentioned evertime some mentions they don't care much about stuff aimed at kids regardless of context and i'm half convinced it's because children's media fans can't argue on with their own words
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(Anonymous) 2015-04-10 02:24 am (UTC)(link)I dislike the implication that enjoying childish "things" is a mark of being childish in and of itself. That, for instance, the fact that I enjoy Steven Universe, means I am immature and only watch it because I can't handle more "adult" shows such as Breaking Bad, GoT, etc. Essentially, all children's media is shallow and simple, and enjoying children's media is a sign of poor taste and unintelligence. Two examples of this argument are here (http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/books/2014/06/against_ya_adults_should_be_embarrassed_to_read_children_s_books.html) and here (http://www.npr.org/2014/06/08/320024790/should-adults-be-embarrassed-to-read-young-adult-books).
This is of course, utter nonsense. Firstly children's media can be capable of telling intelligent stories, with interesting themes. For example in Steven Universe, one of the big parts of Steven's character development is his complex relationship with his mother's legacy - his father and the Crystal Gems constantly sing her praises to him and compliment him on how much he's like her, yet while he appreciates knowing what a wonderful person she is, he has trouble feeling connected to her since she essentially died to create him (and he therefore never had a chance to know her personally), and worries that the other Gems resent him because he's the reason she no longer exists. To him, she's really not a person, she's an abstract idea everyone else worships, and it's hard to feel for that.
Second, there's the implication the fact that you enjoy children's media somehow means you aren't interested in "adult" media. Which is again utter nonsense. Speaking from a personal perspective, I enjoy Jorge Luis Borges, Vladimir Nabokov, and William Blake. I also enjoy JK Rowling, Laura Ingalls Wilder, and L. Frank Baum. Enjoying one doesn't preclude enjoyment of the other.
Third (this isn't an issue that gets brought up a lot but it's my own opinion) "adult" media is equally guilty of the things so many critics pooh-pooh YA literature for. Whenever I see people arguing about how reading YA literature to "to abandon the mature insights into that perspective that they (supposedly) have acquired as adults" and that "YA endings are uniformly satisfying, whether that satisfaction comes through weeping or cheering. These endings are emblematic of the fact that the emotional and moral ambiguity of adult fiction—of the real world—is nowhere in evidence in YA fiction." I think...and the majority of adult literature isn't full of these kinds of things? You think that most adults who read are digging into Ulysses or The Sound and the Fury? Look at this list of current best sellers: http://www.nytimes.com/best-sellers-books/. Whose names are at the top? Nicholas Sparks and James Patterson, who last time I checked weren't exactly considered titans of contemporary literary fiction. What books are the most popular? Thrillers and romances - again, not highly literary works. So saying that adult media is intrinsically more mature than children's media says more about the critic than the media.
*steps off soapbox I hope this is coherent*