[ SECRET POST #3029 ]

[case]

⌈ Secret Post #3029 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Peep Show]


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03.
[Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis]


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04.
[Alexis Denisof]


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05.
[Guardians of the Galaxy]



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08.
[John Green]


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09.
[Outlander]


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10.
[Selfie]


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11.
[Emilio Estevez]


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12.
[His Dark Materials]


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13.
[Star Wars, Twilight]


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14.
[Faux Pas]


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15.
[Mass Effect]


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16.
[The Black Lillies]










Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 067 secrets from Secret Submission Post #433.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Edward's a gigantic ass, but he doesn't literally turn to evil and slaughter a bunch of Jedis, including a whole bunch of kids. But they might be a draw in the sense that they're poorly written and not very well acted, either.

[(Anonymous)]

Edward admits that he's murdered people though. He used his powers to deliberately hunt down and attack "evil" men. Not as bad as Anakin, no, but he's still no hero.

[(Anonymous)]

That would be a valid and important point to make if anyone here was claiming Edward was a hero. But since nobody is...?

[(Anonymous)]

I mean from a writing perspective.

The books treat Edward as a hero, as the ideal man. But he's done so evil things and the way he treats Bella is abusive, though the book glosses over this.

Whereas with Star Wars, the films acknowledge that Anakin's fucked up, that he's done some horribly evil things, and that his relationship with Padmé is doomed to failure.

I guess I just hate how they're always said to be equally awful because, to me, there's no way they're even in the same league since Star Wars is so much more self-aware.

[(Anonymous)]

Jacob is the one the books treat as the better man (or rather he thinks he us) and sane, healthy alternative for Bella but he ends up being the one abusive with her and a big hypocrite.

Edward's boring and an ass his own way but he knows he is not prince charming or a hero and doesn't pretend to be.

[(Anonymous)]

+ DA not the ayrt

[chamonix]

Edward's boring and an ass his own way but he knows he is not prince charming or a hero and doesn't pretend to be.

Edward might not, but the narrative does. It's made perfectly plain that Bella - and by extension, the author, and hopefully the reader - thinks that Edward is self-deprecating, beating himself up over trifles, and that only adds to his perfection. Look, he's so modest, too! He agonises about all these silly little things that don't matter!

For all its cheesy melodrama, I never thought the overreaching narrative of Star Wars excused Anakin for his actions. Yes, he was ultimately redeemed, but that didn't wipe the slate of his previous crimes. If he'd lived, Luke would have had a huge dilemma on his hands.

[othellia]

But they might be a draw in the sense that they're poorly written and not very well acted, either.

Yeah, that's where I always thought people's complaints mostly lied.

[(Anonymous)]

No there's a quiet a bit of complaint about how unhealthy the relationship is. Bella's attitude change when she starts liking Edward, Bella doing all those crazy stunts to see the image of Edward, how Edward's a stalker and crazy over protective of her (also useless Wolf boy on this too), the whole baby stuff at the end and eating her cervix.

[(Anonymous)]

To be fair, the unhealthy relationship and the bad writing are one and the same. SMeyer thought she was writing about the deepest and truest love evar111!!! and about how Edward and Bella were the perfect couple and Bella was destined to be a vampire and have house-breaking statue sex with Edward foreverz... but as we all know, Edward and Bella are terrible for each other. She thought she was writing Edward as a tortured but otherwise perfect dream man, but she ended up with an abuser/unrepentant serial murderer. She thought she was writing Bella as a perfectly selfless, modest, and brainy beauty, but she ended up writing a shallow airhead whose sole vapid thoughts are about how Edward is so hot and rich and everyone sucks except the Cullens and herself. SMeyer has a maaaaajor show vs tell problem, and it ended up making the unhealthy relationship look even worse, because the author and all the characters were in complete denial about it.

In the hands of a different author, Edward/Bella could have been a flawed but ultimately loving couple whose love was so deep and true because of all the issues they had to work through to get there. Instead we got tens of thousands of words of purple prose about Edward's alabaster brow and inexplicably sweet breath and Bella's translucent ivory ~cream and roses~ complexion and naturally freesia-scented skin, and not an ounce of awareness of how catastrophically terrible their relationship is.

[othellia]

Whoops, slightly misread your original post. Was referring to the Star Wars more than the Twilight.

Like I don't think most people's complaint about Anakin and Padme was that Anakin was evil. I mean, everyone knows going in that it's a Darth Vader origin story.

(I am well-versed in the messed up Twilight stuff.)