[ SECRET POST #3029 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3029 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Peep Show]


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03.
[Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis]


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04.
[Alexis Denisof]


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05.
[Guardians of the Galaxy]



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08.
[John Green]


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09.
[Outlander]


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10.
[Selfie]


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11.
[Emilio Estevez]


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12.
[His Dark Materials]


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13.
[Star Wars, Twilight]


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14.
[Faux Pas]


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15.
[Mass Effect]


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16.
[The Black Lillies]










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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

13. http://i.imgur.com/RHvyn9x.png
[Star Wars, Twilight]

[(Anonymous)]

Edward's a gigantic ass, but he doesn't literally turn to evil and slaughter a bunch of Jedis, including a whole bunch of kids. But they might be a draw in the sense that they're poorly written and not very well acted, either.

[(Anonymous)]

Edward admits that he's murdered people though. He used his powers to deliberately hunt down and attack "evil" men. Not as bad as Anakin, no, but he's still no hero.

[(Anonymous)]

That would be a valid and important point to make if anyone here was claiming Edward was a hero. But since nobody is...?

[othellia]

But they might be a draw in the sense that they're poorly written and not very well acted, either.

Yeah, that's where I always thought people's complaints mostly lied.

[(Anonymous)]

No there's a quiet a bit of complaint about how unhealthy the relationship is. Bella's attitude change when she starts liking Edward, Bella doing all those crazy stunts to see the image of Edward, how Edward's a stalker and crazy over protective of her (also useless Wolf boy on this too), the whole baby stuff at the end and eating her cervix.

[(Anonymous)]

I've never been sure whether Star Wars is aware Anakin and Padme's relationship is fucked up, long before he actually turns.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

It TOTALLY is.

During that extremely melodramatic scene with the fireplace, Anakin and Padmé both admit that trying to keep their relationship a secret would destroy them.

Then there's the final shot of Attack of the Clones where, as they're getting married, Padmé is literally grabbing Anakin's skeletal hand. If that's not foreshadowing, I don't know what is.

There's also more and subtler hints throughout Attack of the Clones that acknowledge that this is NOT going to end well.

Re: OP

[intrigueing]

"Subtle hints"? Dude, it's Star Wars. It was a foregone conclusion. EVERYONE ALREADY KNEW it wasn't going to end well, unless people were expecting there to be a Lady Darth Vader hanging around after Anakin turned to the dark side.

...actually, I probably would have enjoyed that movie...

[kallanda_lee]

Right? She met him when he was a small child.

[(Anonymous)]

She was only 14 though. And he was nine. I mean, I don't think it's an enormous gap.

And both of them were quite unusual, Padmé being a Queen and Anakin being a slave, working, and forced to participate in extremely dangerous races.

[lb_lee]

I'm not sure. Maybe I watched Episodes I-III wrong, but until the whole "slaughtering kids" thing, I felt like I was supposed to be seeing Anakin as this tortured woobie who was only trying to do the right thing and if people just stopped getting in his way, things would be fine. It's part of why I never really had much interest in his character. Now, if the movies had managed to sell me that no, this was someone with major issues and douchebaggery who was also skilled and charismatic enough to manipulate the people around him, THAT I would've found fascinating. Possibly too frightening to watch, but fascinating.

--Rogan

[philstar22]

I got tortured woobie trying to do the right thing but having no idea what the right thing was and already having rage issues and no sense of control. He was already kind of fucked-up, and the Jedi made it worse, and then there was Palpatine trying to seduce him to the dark side. He had two warring father figures in Obi-Wan and Palpatine.

I don't think the movies justify what he did. I think they could have done better with showing more nuance, but I don't think we're supposed to think that he was okay and doing great.

[meganbmoore]

Have you watched Clone Wars? Since it's a TV show, they have a lot more time to get into Anakin's issues and plant the seeds of his later actions with the Jedi.

[(Anonymous)]

I fall somewhere between you and the OP. I thought the movies were trying to portray his relationship with Padme as this pure, beautiful thing that was corrupted by his slide into darkness. I don't think they did that well, but I thought that was what they were going for.

However, I also thought that we were meant to see Anakin himself as someone who was pretty flawed-- the anger issues, his pettiness about not being made a master when he joined the Council, and the whole "You're not all-powerful" "Well, I should be!" thing.

For me the prequels weren't so much about the horror of watching a fundamentally good person being corrupted by external evil, but about the horror of watching good people turn a blind eye to the evil growing slowly but steadily in their midst.

[lb_lee]

That's an interesting take! Yeah, I would've been way more interested in the story if it'd been pulled off better, because that sounds like it could be really interesting and add more moral grey to the Jedi.

Admittedly, though, it's been a LONG time since I saw those movies. I have the Rifftraxx for all three, and I PRESUMED I saw them at some point, but damned if I can remember a damn thing about them!

--Rogan

[philstar22]

Your last paragraph is exactly how I see it. I think that there was already a sort of apathy in the Republic and in the Jedi that Palpatine was able to exploit. You can see it right from the beginning because the Trade Federation would not have been able to do it otherwise. And as much as most people seem to hate the political scenes in TPM, I think they are important in showing that things in the galaxy have already gotten bad even before the Empire shows up.

[(Anonymous)]

This would require Lucas to be a better writer. The guy is great with ideas. However, he is a horrible writer and he won't listen to anyone who tries to help him. Episodes V & VI are better because his influence was greatly restrained. Episodes I, II & III were his 'pure babies' and it shows.

[philstar22]

I agree OP. Though I'd add that also Anakin is 19 and she's not that much older and he has no romantic experience and her very little. So of course the dialogue is bad. It is a good portrayal, I feel, of both a relationship where the man is pretty fucked-up already and where the couple is very young and with very little romantic experience.

How many teenage relationships do you know where the couples talk much better?

[(Anonymous)]

OP

Yay! Someone agrees! I'm so happy.

I completely agree with your points. I think the thing I love about it most is how much it breaks apart the "good girls want bad boys" idea and how you can "fix" the bad boy and heal him.

That was a pretty big impression I got from Padmé-- not that she liked "bad boys" necessarily but that she wanted to "fix" or "heal" Anakin. And that it blows up so spectacularly is something I really appreciate from a writing standpoint.

[morally_cryptic]

It seems only fitting I reply to this with my Anakin account. (hiii)

Also I <3th Darth! I miss that comic.

Yeah that was actually all I popped in here to say.

[cushlamochree]

I don't agree that the Star Wars movies (at least the prequels, but honestly, not really the original movies either) have all that developed or nuanced an understanding of what makes a relationship either healthy or unhealthy.

I also don't think that the movies, as presented on screen in terms of acting and direction and et cetera, are well done enough that you can really say that it's doing any of this distinctly and clearly. It's all complicated by the frankly poor acting and writing. If that was the intent, it would be interesting, but I don't think most people see it as existing on screen. I know you don't agree with that but that's just how it seems to me, and I think to most people.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't understand this. I thought the movie was pretty BLATANT in acknowledging that Anakin and Padmé getting together was a bad idea. Anakin literally (and quite melodramatically) says "It would destroy us." I guess I'm wondering in what way you think the film fails to acknowledge that this is a really unhealthy and ill-advised situation?

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[(Anonymous)]

Image: Screen caps of Anakin and Padme and Edward and Bella in romantic moment, and a larger picture of Anakin force-choking Padme

Text: I love how THIS [Anakin/Padme picture] relationship is written because I’ve always felt it’s a PERFECT deconstruction of how destructive

THIS [Edward/Bella] relationship is. I don’t get why people say it’s a “draw” between how bad these stories are. Star Wars doesn’t try to pretend that Anakin’s not intensely fucked up.

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[(Anonymous)]

But they have nothing in common.
Anakin/Padme are the basically Darth Vader backstory, why he became bad and who he was. It makes a villain more layered and is interesting for this reason. They are terribly tragic as characters and they didn't get a happy end.

I don't ship Edward/Bella, but I don't get your point.
Yes, their relationship is romanticized because the whole thing is a fantasy of an adult woman who likes vampires.
Edward is not evil but he's a vampire who fights with his instict to kill humans for their blood because his love for her is stronger, and because his adopted family is 'good' and made a choice to be 'vegetarian vampires' and not kill humans. He knows he's dangerous, if you read the books his autocritic can be exasperating.
You can criticize the mediocrity of SMeyer writing, but we are talking about vampires! Even if the guy is not bad, he's still a vampire and that, alone, is not a recipe for a healthy relationship if his partner is human and mortal.
The fact that their relationship is not healthy is called out in the books, actually (the movies are shit) by Jacob, who, ironically, ends up being a big hypocrite because he is a werewolf and he is far more abusive with Bella than Edward.
Edward knows he's a vampire, he knows Bella is not safe if she's part of his world. He breaks up with her for this reason and he doesn't want to turn her into a vampire.
Jacob, instead, starts as the human boy who represents normality and Bella's savior who keeps saying that he'd give Bella a better life and a healthy relationship..but it's not true because he is himself a supernatural being who could hurt her (like another werewolf did with his partner) and possibly leave her behind one day when he will meet his imprinting girl/soulmate (he doesn't know at the time that his soulmate will be Bella's future daughter, he only knows that he didn't imprint on Bella so he could leave her anytime to follow 'the one' if he met that girl)
Ultimately, the abusive relationship that fits with your description is Jacob/Bella because Jacob is presented as the healthier alternative to her but ultimately, he's not.