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⌈ Secret Post #3030 ⌋

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Comments

[intrigueing]

I always parse interloper-bashing as "my OTP is such a terrible couple that the only reason I can think of to make them get together in my fic is to make sure they have NO other options because every other character is an asshole."

Quite the squee-killer, for sure.

from anon above you

[(Anonymous)]

*high five*

Seriously. This is the argument I like to give people who bash for why it's bad and doesn't help their ship argument.

Re: from anon above you

[intrigueing]

*high fives back*

[(Anonymous)]

I hate that so much that I always try to make both characters have healthy relations outside the romance (like you know, FRIENDSHIPS), but ALWAYS I get at least one person wondering if that means there's going to be a love triangle.

Because apparently each character can only have one meaningful relationship at each time and it can only be a romantic one or something.

[intrigueing]

I know right? Like there needs to be an "excuse" or some other external justification for being in a relationship with someone -- it can't just happen because, oh I don't know, they fell in love and are happy being together? Not to mention a romantic relationship with no other friendships sounds pretty unhealthy, especially if the characters are not hermits in canon but mysteriously seem to turn into mutually-dependent hermits as soon as they get together.

[ketita]

I see that ridiculously often. Sometimes not just with butchered canon characters, but with an OC made up to be the Evil Ex, and it's just as stupid.
It drives me up the wall. Though, in a less-extreme version of it, a lot of shippy fic is very myopic. You feel like the otp are the only two characters in existence, and their interest in each other is the only thing happening in their lives. It gets kind of tiresome, tbh, and it makes for fics that run on internal drama and meaningless relationship drama, rather than building a relationship within the circumstances of the characters' lives. (then again, I'm a big proponent of shippy fic having an 'external' plot as well)

[intrigueing]

I agree with all of this, and it's a big reason I am not a big reader of shippy fic. When fics run on internal relationship drama, I prefer them to be either a) short and with a point, or b) related to issues surrounding a canon event or something like that. Shippy fic tends to fabricate all-new drama unconnected to anything outside and spin it on for ages which often causes a sense of insular meaninglessness in a closed system where outside circumstances have no effect on the characters and vice versa.

[ketita]

I too have gotten pretty tired of long shippy fics. If it's short, it's okay to have one plotline (which can be purely emotional), but having chapters and chapters of manufactured drama is so tiring.
ugh you put it so well, I really have nothing to add XD

It's one of the things that I try in my fics - I insist on having an external plotline. The relationship drama should be impacted by life events, and should impact life events. And there should always, always be a plot.
But apparently fandom has an endless appetite for that kind of fic... nobody really cares if it has a plot or not.
Maybe the most frustrating is when you have reams of UST because they refuse to just talk to each other, but both are obviously interested -_________________-

[nightscale]

Ugh character bashing to prop up a ship is an instant squee-killer for me too. I don't see it as much in fic as I used to back in the early 2000's but I also think that depends on the fandom, I mostly see the 'rival' being written out instead.

Which isn't better mind-you but I'd take that over writing the 'rival' like some demon-possessed hell-spawn.

(My fave kind of fic are ones where the ship happens but there are also awesome friendships for both characters outside of it as well, gives me much joy to see that).