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Comments

[blitzwing]

Oh, is it pretend to be obtuse night? I thought that was Thursday.

You know what I am asking. What does the word "trashy" and "piece of trash" bring to your mind, when it's applied to human beings like in the example sentence above? That doesn't have certain associations for you?

[(Anonymous)]

They have different associations depending on the person... Trashy can mean what you're implying it always means, but I frequently hear it used to describe people who inappropriately or immodestly display their wealth and/or make frequent derogatory comments. "Piece of trash" can refer to what you're convinced it refers to, or it can refer to someone of any class who behaves in a morally reprehensible way. Have you never heard an affluent murderer, for example, be referred to as a piece of trash?

It's okay to not like a word. You don't have to try and make it problematic in order to justify your dislike.

[blitzwing]

"Piece of trash" can refer to what you're convinced it refers to, or it can refer to someone of any class who behaves in a morally reprehensible way.

Yeah, and non-black people who have acted in a "morally reprehensible way" get called the N word by some people. Does that mean the N word isn't a racial slur?

No.

[(Anonymous)]

lol wut

[blitzwing]

What part do you not understand? You said that a murderous millionare can be called a piece of trash. Likewise, a white or Asian person could be called the N word.

In the latter case, the N word being used on a non-black person does not magically transform it from being a racial slur. Likewise, using a classist slur on a millionaire doesn't mean it's still not a classist slur.

[(Anonymous)]

There is - certainly to me, and I think to most speakers of English - a huge difference in those usages of those words. I think most people would understand calling someone who's not black the n-word is a reference to blackness. I don't think, frankly - at least in any place that I'm familiar with - the same is at all true with the word "trash" and being low-class.

[blitzwing]

I think most people would understand calling someone who's not black the n-word is a reference to blackness

No, they wouldn't, because when someone calls a white person the N word, they're not referencing literal blackness. They're referencing all the negative stereotypes associated with blackness and that word.

Just like when you call a millionaire murderer trash, you're invoking certain stereotypes associated with the poor--criminality, lawlessness, loose morals.

[(Anonymous)]

DA. This really strikes me as a false equivalency.

Trash has several different meanings, and some of those meanings have absolutely nothing to do with the poor.

The N-word is not a comparable situation in the slightest.

[blitzwing]

I'll just paste from my other comment because it addresses all of this.

Trash has several different meanings, and some of those meanings have absolutely nothing to do with the poor.

Do you think a banana is always a fruit, and is never a slur against Asians? A crow is just a bird, never a racial term, frog is always an amphibian and not a slur meaning a French person, kimchi and kraut have no ethnic connotations, and neither does the word oreo?

Your argument here seems to be "it has other meanings so it can't be a slur".

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not the anon who said it couldn't be a slur, or couldn't be hurtful. But you seem to be taking the stance that the majority of the time it's about the poor when it's not. Context matters in these cases.

And since context matters, it means that TRASH is not always slur, it depends on the way it is used.

In the case of fandom it's not a slur.

In the case of the millionaire it's not about the poor.

When someone is called White Trash it is a slur about the poor.

[blitzwing]

And since context matters, it means that TRASH is not always slur, it depends on the way it is used.

Sure, context matters. But a slur having another non-slur meaning does not mean it's always okay to use it with a third intent. You can still be invoking the slur associations of the word. That's going to go on a case-by-case basis.

In the case of fandom it's not a slur.

And a bunch of white guys might get to together and think that "The Spooks" is a great name for a band. Maybe they don't have bad intent or even know that the word is also a racial slur. Doesn't mean it's appropriate for them to call themselves that. Doesn't mean that the word isn't a slur. Intent doesn't change the impact the word has on people.

[(Anonymous)]

But it's not everyone else's responsibility to stop using a word just because it may have a bad meaning to someone. Just because something CAN be used as a slur doesn't mean it IS. And that doesn't mean we need to censor that word in all cases.

There are a lot of every day words that could offend me if someone used them to directly insult me, that doesn't mean I would ask someone to stop using the word. Even if I come to associate the word as bad in general, personal feelings are not the same as a general societal problem.

I mean to quote some of your earlier language, would someone calling themselves "the Bananas" for a band always be offensive? Or any of the other words you listed?

[(Anonymous)]

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No, I don't think so. While I'll agree that trash is a slur in some cases, context and intent absolutely matter when it comes to words where the first or most prominent meaning isn't the slur. The first thing that comes to mind for spooks is ghosts (then CIA).

Fruit, coconut or Oreo, cracker, and slow would be fine in quite a few contexts where fag, darky, and retard would really not be fine in most contexts.