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Comments

Re: about ableism

[(Anonymous)]

So - and I'm sincerely just trying to follow the line of your argument and the examples you gave here - it's ableist for a bartender to cut off a customer who he believes has had too much to drink?

NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

People working with the public are supposed to have some disability awareness training. It's not that difficult to tell someone has CP if you have the faintest idea about it.

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

What? No. Not in the US they aren't. I worked retail/customer service for years in various places and I never had anything of the sort.

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Then those companies are liable to end up getting sued for discrimination because their employees won't understand the ADA.

da

[(Anonymous)]

Where do you live? Because I have lived in three states and I have literally never heard of any kind of business that does "disability awareness training" or whatever. The most I've ever been told is that if someone asks for an accommodation (ie to be seated near the door so they don't have to walk far), we're supposed to provide it for them without question.

Re: NAYRT

[dancing_clown]

Might I direct you to the actal Americans with Disabilities Act, which says (emphasis mine): It shall be discriminatory to exclude or otherwise deny equal goods, services, facilities, privileges, advantages, accommodations, or other opportunities to an individual or entity because of the known disability of an individual with whom the individual or entity is known to have a relationship or association.

Assuming Slurry McSpeech is drunk and refusing to serve him doesn't get into ADA issues until Slurry makes his disability known.

And I didn't go through it with a fine-tooth comb, but I saw no "you must train your employees to recognize a rainbow of disabilities."

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

LOL I love how silent people get when confronted with facts.

Re: NAYRT

[lb_lee]

Ugh, THANK YOU. I was starting to get irritated, since I AM disabled.

The only disability training I EVER got was when I was working as a helper for disabled students at a uni. (And a little haphazard shit when we worked in orthopedic shoes, but that was, "So-and-so only has one leg, so probably can not make it in this icy weather." Nothing formal.)

--Rogan

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

I've worked jobs in healthcare related occupations that involved dealing with the public and never had any training like that either.

Re: NAYRT

[(Anonymous)]

So then the line of the argument would be that it's acceptable to do something like cut off a drunk customer as long as you're aware of and feel competent in distinguishing the behavior from something that's a result of a disability?

Re: about ableism

[(Anonymous)]

That gets into ADA territory - the customer has to tell the bartender that they have a disability that is making them appear drunk, and then the bartender can serve them. It's not something the bartender has to guess.

Re: about ableism

[(Anonymous)]

OK, but that doesn't really seem to fit well with the understanding of ableism that the starter of this thread is advancing

Re: about ableism

[(Anonymous)]

Well, that's what the ADA is meant to do - give people who are being treated in an ableist way some recourse. Ideally, people would recognise the difference between CP and drunk but in real life most people don't meet a lot of people with CP and do meet a lot of drunks, so ableist assumptions are made. I suppose the realistic version would be for people not to assume either way but to observe/inquire further.

Re: about ableism

[(Anonymous)]

DA

It's not exactly realistic to expect that someone is going to be able to observe/enquire further in every situation. Some, such as where the physical well-being of all or either party/parties involved is at stake, are going to be an 'assume first, ask later' situation.