[ SECRET POST #3041 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3041 ⌋

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Comments

[a_potato]

I think, like most things, it depends to some extent on the individual fandom. Also, as others have pointed out, a lot of it is less "anti-smut" and more "anti-kink."

[philstar22]

In that regard, I've mostly seen desire for non-consensual kinks to be warned for, and romanticization of non-consensual kinks warned for. I think a lot of the frustration comes from authors who write non-con but don't realize they've written non-con, which plays into lack of recognition of what things are rape in real life. And that frustrates people.

But I haven't generally seen anyone say don't write kinks. I've just seen people say realize you're writing kink and let readers know what kink is there so they can avoid it if they want.

[a_potato]

I can definitely understand that frustration, especially since it's a serious RL problem. I can also understand people getting frustrated with a lack of warnings in general, or asking that certain things be warned for. It's so easy to throw up a quick warning, and it's the courteous thing to do.

That said, I've been encountering a lot of people lately who say that non- and dub-con are rape apologia, that BDSM is inherently harmful, and etc etc. I didn't see nearly so much of that a few years ago.

[(Anonymous)]

I think a lot of the frustration comes from authors who write non-con but don't realize they've written non-con, which plays into lack of recognition of what things are rape in real life. And that frustrates people.

And the correct response to this is to go to the writer in question, and tell them why you think it is non-con and politely ask that they warn for it. You should assume ignorance, not malice, because for often than not that is the case. And the answer to ignorance is education, not attacks.

But the problem is it's become not about warning now, it's become about it existing period end of store. The very existence of this kind of fic, properly tagged and warned for, now apparently causes rape culture. Which is just fucking stupid. (And yes, this is exactly what people are saying in that stupid neverending Sherlock wank.)

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly this...

[(Anonymous)]

really? because I have seen authors of well tagged fics (warning for dub and non con) get horrendous abuse thrown at them.

[(Anonymous)]

After the LJ strikethrough years ago I stopped tagging for noncon. Far too easy for bots to pick up and delete your account, or for idiots to find you and give you abuse. Hell, I won't even tag for slash. I just add warnings manually.

Tagging is wonderfully easy to use, which means in some cases it's better not to.

[elialshadowpine]

It's not that they say "don't write kinks." It's that they search out fics with kinks, or people who mention they write or even just like to read kinky fics, and they often respond with abuse and threats. I would point out as an example how anytime the subject of liking noncon fics comes up in a secret here, there is always at least one person (sometimes more) saying that anyone who writes or likes noncon should die in a fire, commit suicide, or sometimes more detailed examples of how that person should die horribly.

I'm not sure I would say fandom as a whole is anti-kink, but there is a distinct vocal minority who are abusive and toxic, and they are loud enough to seem like there are more of them than there actually are. It's kinda like the Westboro Baptist Church, in a way. They do nasty things to provoke a reaction, then portray the other person as being the bad guy for having a reaction, and often doing so under the guise of social justice; then because they provoked a reaction, they feel completely justified in doing things to further hurt people. Unlike the WBC, there aren't lawsuits involved, but the harassment, abuse, and threats (sometimes of doxxing; there have been instances where fic writers have been doxxed and had people calling their workplace to try to get them fired for writing "unacceptable" kinks) are most certainly real.

It has a chilling effect on certain areas of fandom, because people see this going on and worry that if they post their own fics or even admit to liking fics with certain kinks (dub/noncon seem to be the most frequent magnet for this, but I'm sure there are others), they'll be next. It's a problem, but it's easy to miss because it really is a minority pulling this shit.

I wish it were only people asking for trigger warnings; that's fine. What this minority are doing is not.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

This, basically. Dubcon/noncon and underage are the ones most frequently targeted, but I've also seen people going after BDSM in general and femsub in particular. Often while kinking on some pretty skeevy and disturbing things themselves, but it's OK because they're doing it the "right" way.

[(Anonymous)]

A lot of the time, the stuff they're into is even skeevier. And then they're perplexed when that's painted out to them, and they come up with the most bizarre, unconvincing arguments as to why it's okay when they did it. But self-awareness was never their strong point.

[(Anonymous)]

Agree