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Ugh, I can see the problem. People still latch onto how wolves act in captivity as an accurate model of wolf packs in the wild. Throw in machismo about "alpha males" . . .

On a side note, this just made me realize that I cannot think of a good book with a female werewolf in it. I heard some people like one in Discworld, but I never got into that series. Everything else that comes to mind is crap like Bareback or Blood and Chocolate.

(I vaguely recall a repentant werewolf called Lougarry, but I have no idea what book she was in. TV Tropes also brings up Kitty Norville, which I think is pretty popular, and something called Loyal Enemies.)

Hmm not a book, but you do have the werewolves from Once Upon a Time, sure aside from Red they only show up in a couple episodes, but they were led by Red's Mom (who got it from her grandmom).

Blood and Chocolate

I still resent the person who recommended this.

I've never recced it, but goddamn if I don't love that dumb book. It's probably not Tumblr SJ approved though.

I feel like the fact that the book has an audience proves how stupid its ideas are. The guy who thinks he loves werewolves is terrified of them and will inevitably try to kill them, and supposedly werewolves can only be truly loved by other werewolves--but if that's really the case, why are so many people reading your book about werewolves?

Isn't that the point, though? I think a lot of people would agree that werewolves/vampires are only cool because they're fictional. Considering how much detail the book went into about exactly how horrific the change would look, it also made total sense from that side.

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Same. It's probably been ten years since I last read it, but I remember loving it.

I had a love/hate relationship with that book as a kid. On the one hand, I loved werewolves, on the other hand, I found the characters terribly unlikeable. Oh, and the love interest she ends up with -- wasn't he banging her mom when he was first introduced?

I thought it was funny that some clueless executives decided the (very loose) film adaptation should be set in Romania or someshit like that, because an urban fantasy set in present-day America just wouldn't sell. A brilliant idea that certainly stood the test of time.

Nah, her mom wanted to bang the love interest at the beginning of the book. No actual relationship existed.

Ah, okay. I don't know why my brain was set on turning it into the Jerry Springer show after all these years.

Not even fully how they act in captivity, but how Nazi psychologists decided they acted in captivity to form a model of natural animal behavior to justify a lot of their ideology.

Although the notions of "alpha wolf" and "alpha dog" seem thoroughly ingrained in our language, the idea of the alpha comes from Rudolph Schenkel, an animal behaviorist who, in 1947, published the then-groundbreaking paper "Expressions Studies on Wolves." During the 1930s and 1940s, Schenkel studied captive wolves in Switzerland's Zoo Basel, attempting to identify a "sociology of the wolf."

In his research, Schenkel identified two primary wolves in a pack: a male "lead wolf" and a female "bitch." He described them as "first in the pack group." He also noted "violent rivalries" between individual members of the packs

So thanks to that asshole we get gross MRAs celebrating "Alpha Males" and calling any dude who is not a raging dicknoodle "Beta."

And A/B/O fics.

This explains a lot about the Nazi poodle in diskworld who idolised wolf packs

Damn, I never thought about it that way, but that actually makes a lot of sense.

How does drawing erronous conclusions during research make one an asshole?

(Also, he was Swiss, and, IIRC correctly, not connected to the nazis who were more about the predator part of the wolf pack than alpha and omega, anyway. His study was published in 1947 only, too.)

Ugh, I can see the problem. People still latch onto how wolves act in captivity as an accurate model of wolf packs in the wild. Throw in machismo about "alpha males" . .

Yuuuup.

I had to spell out to a super know-it-all novelist why their rant about how cruel wolf packs are because of how they choose the "Alphas" that, despite what pop culture tells you, those are outdated concepts about how wild wolf packs operate. She didn't want to hear it.

http://io9.com/why-everything-you-know-about-wolf-packs-is-wrong-502754629

Oh wow, I remember Blood and Chocolate! I haven't read it in AGES.

--Miranda

I really liked the Otherwolf series, but I have to admit Elena was one of my least favorite narrators. She was really annoying in Bitten, and got a little bit better as the series went on. Oddly enough my fav turned out to be the Necromancer, which apparently isn't many people's favorites for whatever reason.

Hey, fellow Jamie Vegas lover here! Jamie was awesome. And she got together with Jeremy, so we got to see the good sides of him too.

Oh yeah, No Humans Involved was my favorite book of the series! I've yet to read her newest short story, but I heard it was a lot like NHI. Her and Jeremy's stuff when he found out he was a kitsune was also pretty cute.

How about books about packs of sentient wolves?

The Wolves of Time Duology by William Horwood has you covered. https://www.goodreads.com/series/42890-the-wolves-of-time

If you want lady werewolves you should definitely read Kitty Norville! Awesome books with a great mix of mythologies. Be forewarned though the first book does deal with some heavy power-imbalance-in-sex-and-life issues that might be triggering if you've had bad experiences that way. But her overcoming them and kicking asses of the people who perpetrated those things is a major plot point in a couple of the books, so there is that and as a protagonist she is just bags and bags of awesome.

Yikes, you weren't kidding. I'm about ready to stop reading at the first dubcon scene. Please tell me Carl winds up in a trash compactor.

Edited 2015-05-04 01:22 (UTC)

He does get his comeuppance eventually. Not in the first book I'm afraid though. But he goes down with a crash eventually.

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