[ SECRET POST #3045 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3045 ⌋

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Comments

[sarillia]

I will never understand why a writer who cares about social justice is assumed to not also care about good storytelling. The two aren't mutually exclusive.

Also, I have a weird relationship with "hate the sin, love the sinner". I lived it as a fundie who was deep deep in the closet and didn't understand what was so bad about it (and even asked about it on Fandom Secrets and lived to tell about it; as a side note, I never really felt marginalized back then), and then I came out and had to deal with people telling me about how they "didn't agree with it" and I still can't articulate the problem but I understand it emotionally at least.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

You see, when they do it (Lewis, Tolkien, Star Trek ironically) it's great literature. When we do it (Le Guin, Atwood, then Jemisin and Leckie this decade) we're termites.

[cbrachyrhynchos]

Not to mention that one of the story nominees evidently reads like conservative Catholic Jack Chick fanfiction.

[(Anonymous)]

The whole hate the sin love the sinner thing I think is because it has an unspoken ".... because they could change and stop sinning."

Not to mention that when it's applied to something like The Mark of Cain (AKA being black) then you sort of come up against people going "I'm very sorry you see me being black as a sin. But I don't see being black as a sin, I see being black as how God made me and as long as you continue to feel it's a sin we have a major worldview misalignment."

And there's generally some pressure to not flaunt that black skintone out in public where people are forced to be exposed to that sin and the sinner, and force parents to explain to their kids why some people sin by having dark skin. So the better you can just... pretend to not be a sinner like that the better it is for making everyone else feel comfortable.

[sarillia]

That's not how I thought of it. I went at it from the premise that everyone sins because Jesus was the only perfect human who ever lived, so to condemn others for sinning when you yourself are sinning too is hypocritical. "Hate the sin, love the sinner" went for every single person on Earth, not just gay people.

[(Anonymous)]

Well yeah, but what if they don't see eating at Red Lobster or being black as a sin at all?

[(Anonymous)]

And I'm not trying to be sarcastic or attack at all, it's a genuine question that it seems like if you really hate something about someone that you can't really divorce that from the rest of them, not in a healthy way anyway.

Or is it just a personal thing, like how many religions with dietary restrictions have no problems with others eating whatever they want, but they prefer not to do it themselves because they believe it would be wrong for them?

[sarillia]

Which is what led me to move away from that world view.

[(Anonymous)]

Because REAL stories are about cisgender heterosexual white men, DUH!