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[Falcon Densetsu/F-Zero GP Legends]

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(Stephen Paul Manderson aka Professor Green, Never Mind the Buzzcocks)

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Every business pays taxes except churches.

Churches aren't businesses (or mostly aren't, or oughtn't to be).

Even if they take in money, they're not businesses.

They're certainly not primarily charities though. I see little difference between a church and idk a football club that occasionally does charity. If one pays taxes I don't see why the other can get out of it.

They're no more charities than the NFL, and the NFL only recently gave up its tax-exempt status (for PR reasons, mostly.)

If the NFL can pay taxes then so should churches.

Edited 2015-05-14 00:03 (UTC)

I didn't say they were charities, I said they weren't businesses.

I never said you did, just saying they're not charities.

Although to be perfectly honest, a lot of them are businesses. They just sell salvation and Jesus and all that instead of anything useful.

Well yeah. But those ones - they sort of sneak by because, while they're terrible, it's really hard to differentiate between them and the churches that aren't businesses.

Anyway. Yeah. Churches aren't charities, but there's pretty clearly a consensus in society that they ought to be tax-exempt, and that just doesn't bother me. Because they're not really trying to generate return on investment or anything like that. They're serving a different, other purpose, whether or not you agree with that purpose.

There's not a consensus though. It just so happens right now they're the controlling majority who don't want to pay taxes. It's a hypocritical double standard.

It's not a double standard at all. It's not like Muslim churches have to pay taxes and Protestant ones don't. If you're a church, you're tax-exempt. OP's original post was just factually wrong. Churches aren't a specific subset of businesses, they're a separate thing altogether, so it's not a double standard. Let alone a hypocritical one.

And I would argue that there is a consensus - that's the controlling majority you're referring to. The majority isn't churches, the majority is the people - churched and unchurched - who think churches ought to be tax-exempt.

Except they are, really. They provide, say, entertainment services, for which their clientele pays ("tithes.") They use that money to pay payroll and overhead, as well as provide other services. Sounds like a business to me. Of course, I also think any "non-profit" not paying taxes is also complete bullshit. All you have to do to be non-profit is...drumroll...not take a profit. Plenty of businesses do that without even trying, and they still have to pay taxes.

There are differences between "non-profit," "not-for-profit," and "unprofitable." The kind of argument you're using is ignorant.

LOL. That's not what a non-profit is. A non-profit is an organization that doesn't pay out to its board of directors or shareholders (usually it doesn't even have shareholders. It's owned by its employees or customers or both instead).

A business that isn't making money but has shareholders that it's expected to pay dividends to is not a non-profit.

Churches fuckingly well are business.

They aren't, though.

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