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Comments

Re: Advice Column

[(Anonymous)]

Do you mean he doesn't identify as a feminist, or he ACTUALLY isn't a feminist?

I mean, feminist is just the belief that men and women are equal, so he might still believe that but reject the title.

But if he's actively misogynistic, idk man, maybe you can help him expand his horizons a bit but that'd be a tough date for me.

Re: Advice Column

[(Anonymous)]

I vociferously object to this idea

(I probably could have left it at making this post only twice, but w/e)

My problem is that, one, the idea that feminism is pure and simply a belief in gender equality is just, like, factually not true. It's not. Feminism is a political tendency in society. It's an actually-existing movement with a whole host of arguments and positions and claims, with a really rich intellectual background. It's not just a claim about the equality of men and women. I think that is what many feminists would regard as the core of feminism, but it's not the whole of the idea.

(And, in fact, it's absolutely possible to believe in gender equality and not be a feminist, if for instance you don't believe in a patriarchal society or don't generally believe that women have it worse than men. To be clear I'm not saying that such a belief is right, I'm saying that it's possible, and that it makes it hard to take seriously this line about equality).

Second, I think this whole thing is kind of a really bullshit rhetorical tactic. You can't just define all the light and goodness as being on all your side and then try to use that as an argument for why your side is right. You can't just magically draw a line where all the people who disagree with you actually secretly agree with you (or are awful people). There's something really cheap and almost insulting about it, to me.

Re: Advice Column

[(Anonymous)]

But you're creating a definable category for what feminism is, and that doesn't exist. Feminism is NOT one philosophy, one set of arguments and claims, and one political agenda. You could have a hundred people defining as feminists who have completely different opinions on everything (except for one thing):

which is that women have gotten the short end of the stick, and there's still work to do for equality to really happen.

Re: Advice Column

[(Anonymous)]

That's a fair point, and I do agree that feminism is not a monolith.

At the same time, I stand by my point that some people really do reject feminism while still believing in equality.

And I would point out that your position here is incompatible with what I'm actually arguing against, which is the idea that feminism basically means a belief in gender equality, and by extension that all people who believe in gender equality are feminists.