[ SECRET POST #3062 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3062 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

"Cops aren't exactly popular"? That's supposed to be a good reason not to do something? Cops aren't popular not because being a cop is a bad thing, it's because cops AREN'T BEING COPS PROPERLY. It's like saying you don't want to be a cook because people are mad at cooks for putting cheap toxic ingredients in their food.

Also, jsyk, I heard that one of those two cops who were murdered in December in NYC joined the academy in his mid-30s.

Plus, there are all kinds of consultancy jobs to help with detective work, onces that don't involve being an actual cop and passing physical requirements. Detective work usually requires a MUCH bigger team of people than what's shown on TV.

[(Anonymous)]

If people were mad enough at cooks so that the entire profession was tarnished and cooks were distrusted to the same extent as cops, under pressure to cover up for fellow cooks who were corrupt AND occasionally made a target for injury/death, then I'd say it's perfectly reasonable not to be a cook.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, but that's not "people are mad at cooks", it's "cooks are kind of institutionally awful", which is not the point that OP was making

[(Anonymous)]

I know. I should've put quotes around the "mad at cooks" bit, but I was quoting the anon I was replying to. I don't think the situation is that simple, obviously.

[dreemyweird]

Even assuming the OP is definitely from the US (which may not be the case - "cops aren't popular" is a pretty vague statement that could apply to a lot of countries to different extents), doesn't this vary from state to state?

[(Anonymous)]

It varies department to department, really, which is on the municipal and/or county level. There are also state police, but the police departments under criticism and being exposed as rotten are mostly the city-specific ones, like the Ferguson department.

It's not super clear-cut, since there's shared culture and cross-pollination between departments, but yeah cops are not poured into one big pool. There are plenty of A+ departments, but that's the problem with jobs that are about bringing a net negative up to zero, instead of creating a net positive -- the police doing a brilliant job = "the crime situation here isn't NEARLY as terrible as it would be if we were incompetent!"

[dethtoll]

The police where I live were recently declared a model force, something to be emulated. We already went through our riots 14 years ago, and most importantly learned from them and tried harder to keep good relations between cops and civilians. I don't see that happening with the likes of Ferguson.

[(Anonymous)]

That's great! Is this a big well-known police force or a small one?

I feel like stuff like Ferguson isn't going to change until the march of time filters all the shit out -- and if they're prevented from replenishing their force with shit as well.

[dethtoll]

Cincinnati -- fairly big police force for a fairly big town. It's not without its problems but so far it seems like it's a far sight better than many other forces, and the ratio of white cops:black cops much more closely resembles the ratio of white civilians:black civilians than it once did. (We've also had many black people in positions of authority -- everything from the mayor to the police chief to the coroner.)

I watched the mayor's Undercover Boss.

[(Anonymous)]

He seemed like a pretty on the ball guy. This was a little surprising to me because my image of Cincinnati beforehand came from WKRP in Cincinnati.

Re: I watched the mayor's Undercover Boss.

[(Anonymous)]

^NA

[dreemyweird]

Thank you for answering! That's pretty much what I thought. Of course, the departments that suck are still going to spoil the reputation of the police in general&create problems, but the point is, the OP could choose to work in one of the better teams/their local coppers could be significantly better than people from e.g. Ferguson. So the above anon's cook analogy counterargument doesn't necessarily work even if the OP is American.

[intrigueing]

that's the problem with jobs that are about bringing a net negative up to zero, instead of creating a net positive -- the police doing a brilliant job = "the crime situation here isn't NEARLY as terrible as it would be if we were incompetent!"

LOL truth. The only time a police force really looks good is if they're being compared to a much shittier one like those "doin' it right" and "doin' it wrong" juxtapositions in writing textbooks, or if it just got massive improvements and reforms over a period of time short enough to be noticeable. Otherwise, a super-low crime/police brutality or incompetence/unsolved case rate is the baseline expectation. Which makes sense, like how it should be considered ridiculous to say "omg, this man is so awesome, he didn't rape that girl even though he had a chance to get away with it!" but noticing how to do things right is kind of important for improvements.

[dreemyweird]

All of this! I'm seconding your comment as somebody who just changed her degree to forensic anthropology, one of the underappreciated and overlooked disciplines under the "detective work" umbrella.

And - in the UK, at least - there is no official upper age limit for joining the force. Though, of course, if the OP is in their late 40s/50s, it isn't really a good idea.

[(Anonymous)]

Forensic anthropology sounds exciting, good for you! :)

[(Anonymous)]

Here it would depend on the municipality. Some may have a hard age cut off, some may only make passing the physical (and the physical training course). The US doesn't have a monolithic standard.

[diet_poison]

I did not recognize you at first with your icon change.

That icon is adorable and amusing. I don't even know who that is but.

[dreemyweird]

Thank you <3 It's Dr Joseph Bell, the prototype of Sherlock Holmes! There's a sort of small local meme in the Murder Rooms/general Doyleockian fandom based on the fact that Doyle himself was a bit of a Bell fanboy. One of our main canon creators, David Pirie, insists on always describing Bell's handsomeness in great detail, especially when using Doyle's PoV. "He had a striking aquiline face and the hands of a pianist and piercing grey eyes!!" and all that. It is cute.