[ SECRET POST #382 ]

[shahni.livejournal.com]

⌈ Secret Post #382 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

- Thank you to Ghostie for help on making this on time!
- Name that fandom, first comment!

Secrets Left to Post: 08 pages, 150 secrets from Secret Submission Post #055.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, 0 not!secrets, 0 not!fandom, [ 1 ] too big
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Comments

[forchancookie.livejournal.com]

3. Here here!

29. I know right? And yet as I think that, I think of all the younger audience shows like pokemon that I've dabbled in....and it still doesn't make sense! ^_^;;

35. Those arguments make me sad. I like fanart icons. I hate asshats that shoot out their verbal diarrhea like that. =/

36. That would be pretty awesome. I think he's secretly a girl anyway.

38. Ummm...it IS cliche. Yeah, it has some new features, but "boy finding out he's special" cliche, "boy discovering powers" cliche, "boy gathering comrades" cliche, "boy discovering newer levels of power" cliche. It's full of them. Are you blind?

38-not OP

[(Anonymous)]

Jesus, if those are everything that defines cliches, we'd better shut down anime production forever. And video game companies. And fantasy publishing companies, because 90% of novels use those.

Those aren't cliches, they're conventions. There actually is a difference between the two.

Re: 38-not OP

[forchancookie.livejournal.com]

Uh huh...that doesn't make them any less cliche, overused, watered down, what have you. I'm not saying that I don't enjoy them if done well, I'm just disagreeing when the OP claims that the show isn't cliche. It is, end of discussion.

Re: 38

[forchancookie.livejournal.com]

A cliche is something that is tired and overused. Those things? Tired and overused. Just because everyone uses them, that is why they are cliches. That is not to say that people can't go at them from a fresh angle, people do all the time, thus we get more and more of such works, but they're still based on cliches! And in this case, they're approached in such a formulaic manner, it makes the fact that it's cliche stand out even more.

Also, your example does not make sense. I know what you're trying for, but it just doesn't work.

[hezul.livejournal.com]

I would classify them as tropes, not cliches, myself. :X

[forchancookie.livejournal.com]

It seems like a more PC way of saying cliche to me ^_^;;

[hezul.livejournal.com]

Mm, not exactly. To borrow a quote from the TV Tropes wiki:

"Tropes are devices and conventions that a writer can reasonably rely on as being present in the audience members' minds and expectations. If a trope gets used too much, then it becomes clichéd. The word cliché means stereotyped and trite. In other words, dull and uninteresting."

I don't think those elements of storytelling are in themselves dull and uninteresting so much as they become so when poorly written.

[forchancookie.livejournal.com]

That really seems like splitting hairs though, because one person doesn't think it's overdone they want to be nice and call it a trope or a staple while someone else will scream if they see such a thing one more time because it's cliche for them. I think it's all a matter of personal tastes which side of the fence you want to pop up on. I never said that people couldn't enjoy cliches. It would be hard to watch anime if you couldn't deal with them and I watch a lot of anime despite it...though I do stop watching a few when they drag out the more tired and boring cliches. Enough cute little orphan eps ok! ^_^;;

[trinities.livejournal.com]

So I'm guessing you can't dig on a lot of Victorian Lit?

What you're bashing is actually literary tropes, things that people go to college and get degrees from examining. If you can't understand that some of these traditions are a part of media ...

[forchancookie.livejournal.com]

Who's bashing here? A difference of opinion is not bashing, it's a difference of opinion. I stand by my opinion. You can call it a trope if you want to, but it's cliche to me. It's my prerogative to think that and you jumping down my back isn't going to change my mind.

[trinities.livejournal.com]

Dude, I'm not jumping down your back. But the fact still remains. What you're calling a cliche is the backbone of literature, things that have been prevalent since The Odyssey. I'm sorry that I felt the need to jump in and make sure you understood that. :/

[forchancookie.livejournal.com]

If you come in here to tell me that I'm bashing and insinuate that I don't appreciate collegiate studies and traditional media, I'm going to A) Get insulted and B) consider you to be jumping down my back.

Call it what you will, but calling a dog a canis lupus familiaris doesn't make it any less of a dog.

[trinities.livejournal.com]

Well, it comes off as if you dislike the very foundations of what makes fictional works. You dislike ... protagonists? Then how it is that you're going to continue watching anything? I'm sorry that I used the word "bash"--maybe I should have used something like "critically analyzing in a negative manner."