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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2015-06-03 06:35 pm

[ SECRET POST #3073 ]


⌈ Secret Post #3073 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Master Chef]


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[The Raven Cycle by Maggie Stiefvater]


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[Harry Potter]


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[Star Wars]


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[Frank]


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[Discworld]


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[Baccano!]


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[Cher Lloyd/Kingsman: The Secret Service]


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[Eurovision]


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[Hannah Rutherford (Yogscast)]










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Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

(Anonymous) 2015-06-04 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
To be fair, the 'scared kid who attempted murder' was in negotiations with a psychopath to murder everyone on the train. So, you know. He still didn't deserve the Rail Tracer, but that's mostly because there are very few people who actually deserve being grated on a train track. Presuming you meant Czes, of course. I had a moment where I thought you'd meant Dune, because he was one I remember being graphically grated, and I was a little confused because Dune was not (initially) scared, not a kid, and didn't so much 'attempt murder' as board the train with a gang of thugs lead by a complete psychopath in order to kill people for shits and giggles, which Dune started off in grand style by murdering Claire's friend for his uniform. Probably still didn't deserve to be grated, because seriously, Claire, Jesus Christ, but did deserve it a little bit more than Czes did.

Also to be fair, Lua's fiance is Ladd. I think there are probably more people than Claire who'd be willing to risk killing an already suicidal woman to put Ladd out of commission, though probably for different reasons. Not that it would make them good people either, but still. Ladd has a tendency to alter people's moral cost-benefit analysis parameters just a little bit.

Point being, Claire is not remotely a good person, but he's not really any more morally questionable than many of the characters he goes up against, and he does get points for being an outrageous badass who's both horrifying and amazing to watch in action. He's enjoyable as a character and as a spoke in everyone else's wheel. That said, yes, I would definitely look askance at anyone seriously trying to argue that he's a good guy.

(Anonymous) 2015-06-04 12:33 am (UTC)(link)
To be fair, the 'scared kid who attempted murder' was in negotiations with a psychopath to murder everyone on the train

This. I'm sympathetic towards Czes because he's an extremely messed up and traumatized and I like his character quite a lot (I like almost all of the characters in Baccano tbh) but he's not quite the fragile and innocent child that his appearance would suggest although he definitely has plenty of moments of vulnerability. He's a centuries old immortal who can be pretty manipulative when he wants to be. Hell, he pretty much needs to be manipulative and cunning if he's an immortal stuck in a kid's body forever.

(Anonymous) 2015-06-04 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah. Czes has a reason for his cold-blooded, fear-driven screwed-up-ness like you wouldn't believe, but it still leads to him being willing to contemplate mass-murdering everyone in his vicinity in order to flush out the one who'd actually be a threat to him. I actually do still love him, and those moments with Isaac, Miria and Maiza are heartbreaking, but innocent he most decidedly is not. Fermet burned that out of him a loooonnnggg time ago.