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[ SECRET POST #3077 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3077 ⌋

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[Lackadaisy Cats]

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(Gorillaz)

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(Tripping over you)

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[Dragon Age]

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[The Mighty Boosh]

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[LOVE LIVE!]

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[Brooklyn 99]

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[Mad Max Fury Road]

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[Maggie Stiefvater]

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[Emily Alice Ovenden]

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[When Marnie Was There/Omoide no Marnie]

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[Suppression]

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[Ancillary Justice & Ancillary Sword]

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I really liked Joe's design (I liked all the designs in this movie, though.),
but he was running things well?
He kept women prisoner to forcebreed a "perfect" (read: genetically superior) son.

Women who, mind you, repeatedly risked their lives throughout the movie to get away from that system.

Lolno.

Never mind that he used young men and boys as cannon fodder. Everyone forgets that. The War Boys were performing kamikaze all in the name of Joe and he never bat and eyelash. Instead he encouraged them. Commit suicide in the name of me and I'll carry you to Valhalla, myself.

But he wasn't breeding for a genetically superior son. It wasn't Hitler in that way. He was gunning for a non-mutated, cancer riddled son. A healthy one. That's it. A healthy kid. Mad Max's world is suffering from fall out radiation everywhere. That's one of the reasons why things have stopped growing in lands that were once green and lush. Why people like Nux has tumors on his neck. Why the women were holed up in that biodome. They were given clean air, water and food. They were being protected from the elements in the hopes that they would produce healthy babies. (This last part was in the latest issue of the Mad Max comic written by Miller, himself.)

nayrt

you kind of make it sound like the women should be thankful.

Naaah, it's just a fact that the women were given amenities because healthy women can reproduce while sickly women...well they can, it's just unlikely they'll survive to breed again.

Besides, apparently that's a quote straight from a comic written by Miller so.

This world sucked for just about everyone, just in different ways.

I think the OP has read a post on io9 that is now doing the rounds on tumblr.
http://io9.com/mad-max-fury-road-from-immortan-joe-s-point-of-view-h-1708173886

Mad Max: Fury Road from Immortan Joe’s point of view. He’s trying to preserve humanity by keeping his wives from pathogens in the environment, so they don’t get cancer and have deformed babies. He knows the aquifer is depleted so he has to conserve water. He knows he’s working with scum, but he’s managed to organise them around a religious theme so they are no longer selfishly thinking only of themselves and their own survival. He has good relations with the two neighboring communities so he can trade for fuel and food. He just about manages to keep it all together.

And then Furiosa brings it all down. She’s hopeless. The “green place” that she thinks she’s fleeing to does not even exist, and her Plan B is suicide by desert. She’s trying to save the wives, but one she kills outright and the others will soon have cancerous growths like Nux. She kills all the warboys, destroys all the vehicles, and burns all the fuel. Then she gets back to the Citadel and wastes the water. In 3 years the community that Joe worked so hard to preserve will be desolate.

It was one of those reinterpret a story from a side character's POV challenges. It is full of pretty screwed up stuff.

No, I read the comic. There are three prequel issues of the Mad Max comic. The first one is out already. It talks about Joe's back story and how he ended becoming Immortan Joe.

The next one, this month is about Furiosa's back story. And the one coming out in July is Max's back story. All three were written my George Miller and is considered canon.

Oh, that's cool. Someone in a review was asking 'where are all the babies??' and i was like....uh - the WarBoys? I thought that was obvious. I mean - not *all* of them are Joes, obviously, but i'm sure there are a number of them that are and, of course, cast-off brides can make babies even if imperfect, so you know there are babies being born down on the ground, as it were, as well.

My only question is...how can you 'top off' with good blood, re: Nux and Max? You can't just keep pumping more blood into your system without letting some *out* - you don't have the capacity for *extra* blood....

Awwwww yes. One in July with Max's back story?

Yes. And I am still holding out that this Max isn't Gibson's Max. But someone else who took up the moniker and tried to be Max. I am gunning for the Feral kid. Hence the jacket mocked up to look like Max's police issued one. The fake leg brace. (It's fake because the tattoo on his back states that all of his limbs are sound. And yet in original Mad Max, Max was shot in the leg and carried that injury through out the rest of the movies.) The music box. In the Road Warrior we are told that the Feral Kid becomes the leader of the Northern Tribe but we aren't told for how long and what happens to them after he takes over. What if everything went to hell? And now this Max is wandering the country side pretending to be Max because he was the hero that helped saved his people.

(crosses fingers)

Okay, I just want an old Max (Gibson's Max) to show up in a future movie.

I've only seen the first Mad Max and I really disliked it. I am going to try and watch the second and third but I am not a huge fan of Mel Gibson. So I really don't mind a change in character direction to make it a bit less goofy.

The second two are more in line with Fury Road. The first one is where there is an energy crisis in the world. People, for the most part, are still getting along fine. The second starts off right after a nuclear war. (It was hinted that the two superpowers at that time fought. Meaning, US and the USSR). Law and order have got to pot. And the third is happening when everything is just being effected by the radiation. (Max has a geiger counter and uses it to test how much things are radioactive.)

And now, Fury Road is really knees deep into the nuclear fallout wasteland. To the point that people are developing tumors and having mutated babies.

If you like Fury Road, I think you will like the second and third movie.

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kaijinscendre - 2015-06-07 23:20 (UTC) - Expand

What if the problem isn't the women, or the environment. What if the problem is Joe.

No, I'm pretty sure living in a radiated wasteland is the problem.

The war was so bad and messed up the planet so much that Sydney harbor was turned into a desert. (In the comic they showed the harbor as such.)

Remember how Vulvalini lands were once lush and green and even that didn't survive the fall out? (Poor Furiosa)

Yeah, people are going to start popping out messed up kids because of this. Like Nux with his neck tumors, Larry and Barry.

Certainly, I'm pointing out that if Joe really was all that concerned with germ-line mutation, that he'd probably exclude himself from the breeding pool.

My thoughts exactly.

Ahahahahah that is hilarious how badly you can twist a story to get that.

Reading some of the rest of the io9 thread as well, I would willingly subscribe to those Hermione Granger books though.

No, a gilded cage is still a cage.

Yeah, I mean it's not just the women who were suffering, those poor warboys killing themselves for him left and right, and the people used for blood donation.... It was a terrible system.

The argument could be though, that it was a workable system. Look at Furiosa's colony. The survivor's could be counted on one hand! Joe didn't have a utopia, but he had a system where people SURVIVED. And in Armaggedon, that means he has a great fucking system!

It was a very wasteful system, though, and not very many survived. And there were a lot of resources wasted on his deformed children, who you could argue that in a world with no resources, it makes no sense to keep unviable progeny alive on machines. They couldn't even breathe.
You could argue that if an earthquake came by then the citadel could be destroyed just as easily, and then what? It wouldn't be proof that the colony had worked or not.

He was gunning for a non-mutated, cancer riddled son.

So, in their society, a genetically superior one. I don't get why you're trying to split hairs.

Because there's a HUGE difference between wanting a healthy child and wanting "genetically superior" child that harkens to Hilter's Aryan plan.

There's a difference in circumstance but not a whole lot of difference in method and intent. It's not like we have any reason to think Joe would've treated people any better in his society if they weren't mutated/cancer-ridden. Especially considering he himself was deformed.

Edited 2015-06-08 00:46 (UTC)

It's not splitting hairs to point out that 'genetically superior' is a loaded phrase that doesn't apply here.

Immortan Joe is his own kind of bad, he doesn't need to be Hitler to be bad.

I think it's a comparison worth thinking about, especially considering Joe himself is addled with cancer/deformities. The fact that he only gave a damn about Splendid for her capacity to birth him a "perfect" son ("perfect" is the word I remember him using, not "healthy," although he might've used "healthy," too) has echoes of both patriarchal male heir obsession and eugenics. I don't see much evidence for the interpretation that he's actually concerned with making the population healthier.

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