[ SECRET POST #3086 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3086 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, callout culture has made it so it's NOT okay to fuck up. Not unless you want to risk being someone's by-name punching bag in their weekly rant about how awful everyone is.

Shockingly, when we're talking about fiction written for fun and shared for free, a lot of people aren't interested. Fancy that.

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

Actually, callout culture has made it so it's NOT okay to fuck up. Not unless you want to risk being someone's by-name punching bag in their weekly rant about how awful everyone is

isn't that what they implied when they said that callout culture was causing people to be too afraid to write certain things and results in less diversity?

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

My point is in that social climate is disingenuous to exhort people to post stuff and say "it's okay to fuck up!" Because it isn't, unless being the target of a pile on and permanently assigned a reputation for being a racist idiot is a non issue for you.

Oddly for most people it's an issue.

[diet_poison]

but the point is that it shouldn't be an issue to fuck up. it's okay to fuck up and therefore people shouldn't jump down others' throats for it.

[(Anonymous)]

I think everyone in this subthread actually agrees with that, and the question is whether you should write it anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

anon from above:

Actually my point is whether it's fair to exhort OTHER PEOPLE to write (and POST, which is the important part) it anyway. Which is slightly different.

[(Anonymous)]

But the fact remains that they do jump down others' throats for it, and sometimes all their friends join in with the public flaying. God forbid some people should like a quiet life.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT I know, that's why I said "I know the callout culture has started to scare people away from writing about certain subjects"

I think I'd rather people start essentially calling out the call out culture then stop writing. I also want OP to know that there are people out there that are okay with a writer messing up and won't freak out about it. Heck I won't even critique a person unless they directly ask for it.

If OP really wants to write and share then I want to encourage them, some people are afraid of fandom reactions but not always to the point that they will give up entirely.

[(Anonymous)]

If you don't want to deal with an Internet pileup, I'm not sure why calling out the people who do it would be a better solution. It seems like a shorter route to the same outcome.

[(Anonymous)]

Then ignore it? My point is mainly about not letting the call out culture dictate what kind of media gets put out there.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Then you go right ahead and start dismantling the call-out culture. As noted above, I still find it seriously disingenuous to say things like "it's okay to fuck up", because whether or not YOU believe it is, the people who set up the pile-ons DON'T, and they're the ones that'll show up on OP's doorstep/etc.

If you want to be encouraging, offer defense. "I know they're going to come yell at you but do it anyway!" isn't really encouraging.

[(Anonymous)]

Stop being a coward. If you want call out culture to end then stop pandering to its adherents and write what you want to write.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Oh I do, darling. Anon wants other people - and those like OP for whom the attacks ARE clearly a barrier/reason not to post - to do so.

[(Anonymous)]

How doe that *end* call-out culture?

[(Anonymous)]

But isn't it helpful to know that there ARE people out there that think it's okay to fuck up? And that there might even people who come to OP's defense in that regard? I've seen encouragement as simple as that work in the past. Some people just need to know there is an audience out there that will be willing to read their work.

And no one knows if OP is going to get called out in any case, Op may be scared of that, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen. As much as tumblr loves a pile on, there are tons of things that go past fandoms radar all the time, especially if said piece really isn't massively offensive but has one or two things that could have been done better.

[(Anonymous)]

Mostly, that's not what I (were I someone who felt that way - I'm personally not, but I know people who are) would have gotten from zir comment, and obviously not what I did: what I got was "you SHOULD do this even though people are going to attack you because diversity!"

In other words, an urging to go out and make yourself vulnerable to attack, rather than any kind of solidarity/reassurance. Which also goes around circles concerned with diversity in fiction, quite a lot.