[ SECRET POST #385 ]

[degrees.livejournal.com]

⌈ Secret Post #385 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Last day to submit for next week!!

...holy crap #36, I love you XDDDD

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 00 secrets from Secret Submission Post #055.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, [ 1 2 ] not!secrets, 0 not!fandom, [ 1 2 3 ] repeats.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Saturday, January 26th, 2008.
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Comments

[terrie.livejournal.com]

27. ughhh okay. MANGA is from japan. COMICS are from english-speaking countries. ('graphic novel,' imho, is a ridiculous term.) i don't understand the whole 'english language manga' thing -- IT IS A COMIC. just because the style is 'manga influenced' or whatever does not make it manga. it still makes it a comic (or whatever the term is in the language in which it originates; ie, 'band dessinée' for "persepholis," 'manhwa' for korean comics, etc).

that being said, it is stupid of people to judge a comic from its country of origin. i mean, my god, people who won't read like, chris ware or daniel clowes because it's not ~OMG JAPAN~ are just as bad as people who won't read osamu tezuka or whomever because it is ~OMG JAPAN~.

JUDGE THINGS FOR HOW GOOD THEY ARE, GUYS, NOT BECAUSE OF WHERE THEY COME FROM.

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

er, Graphic novel is a very good, interchangable term. Graphic novel refers to those thick books that you get of comics, whether it be manga or american comics. Remember, most comics are like, 40 page booklets that come in issue form, and otherise, you get the ones that are montly anthologies.

TL;DR: Graphic novel is a useful term for a comic format.

[terrie.livejournal.com]

'graphic novel' just sounds very, very pretentious to me. what's wrong with just calling something a comic?

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

A comic is a form of media.

A graphic novel is a way of collecting a group of single issue comics (or chapters, in manga) into a format that is easier to store and collect.

[terrie.livejournal.com]

that's not necessarily true. that is assuming that every comic ever (or 'graphic novel,' if we're using your definition) was originally released in small issue-based formats. a lot of comics authors release their work directly to book format.

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

It's becoming common these days to do that, but the origin of the gn is as i have said, an easier, more collectable format. People are releasing their work in graphic novel format these days for the same reason. It's simply easier publish, and collect.

[terrie.livejournal.com]

well yes, i recognise that 'graphic novel' is the term used for the books. but like, if anyone ever says 'i draw graphic novels' instead of 'i draw comics,' i am immediately wary of that.

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

ugh yeah true, people that act like 'graphic novel' is something like... better than comics are like ...wut. If you don't want to be labelled a nerd why are you even drawing comics XD

[terrie.livejournal.com]

yes! that is what i meant. sorry, i'm bad at explaining things. D: also, this might be the most intelligent conversation i've ever had on FS, yay!

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

XD haha wow can you believe it? non drama on FS!

[miss-arel.livejournal.com]

My understanding is that graphic novel (at least in relation to Western comics) refers to any length comic story that was never serialized -- i.e., it is like a novel in that it's published only as a whole, not as a collection of segments. trade paperback, I believe is the proper term for the latter. So, "Pride of Baghdad" is a GN; "Watchmen" is a TPB.

Ok, I'll stop being pedantic now. ^^;

[tealizard.livejournal.com]

I find trade paperback/graphic novel are interchangable, ie: fruits basket, naruto, bleach, death note, one peice, samurai champloo... all manga that were issue based, at least in shonen jump or some other magazine (which seems to be the case these days), and were later released as graphic novels. Trade paperbacks seem to be referred as ones like watchmen, v, sandman, that were released in a similar format but as a larger format, ie width x height. I can't really just ignore manga in the definition of the format, as it's another pioneering form of comic.

At least thats the difference I've noted XP

[(Anonymous)]

Or you could just use "graphic novel" for all of them. What's wrong with the term? That is, in fact, what Becky Cloonen calls it.

[terrie.livejournal.com]

well, ivan brunetti calls them comics!

[(Anonymous)]

As someone else said, it's all sequential art. "Graphic novel" is a useful term for sequential art with a continuing plot (that is not "comic strips") in book format without having to figure out what the term is in every single other language. Comics books are the term for the 30-40 page pamphlets and if you say "comic book" that's what people think-- not all American sequential art is "comic books", so I use "graphic novel" as a catch all for "sequential art with a cohesive plot".

[xanykaos.livejournal.com]

"Manga-influenced" comics =/= Manga = TRUTH!

Though I like the term graphic novel. Not for everything, mind. But when something's a good-sized work, it sounds about right to me.

[enjolras.livejournal.com]

WORD. Who cares what you call them? They all mean the same thing basically.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm going to say this once, and only once.

MANGA. EQUALS. COMIC. THE WORD LITERALLY MEANS "COMIC". OKAY?

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On the other hand, you make a good point about judging on how good they are and not where they come from, so I'll cease with the caps-lock smashing.

[terrie.livejournal.com]

um yes, that was my point.

[crackjaw.livejournal.com]

Uh, yes, exactly, so calling any American comic "manga" is pretty dumb, don't you think?