[ SECRET POST #3091 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3091 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

Part of it, I imagine, is that this occurred not through an institution (the police) but one fuckhead.

And there's really no way to prevent it.

There are always racist assholes. We can't block their access to guns (I want to, but Newton basically proved to me that it's fucking futile).

And, in this case, the police caught him quickly and the governor says he should get the death penalty.

Everyone agrees it was a hate crime.

And everyone on the left that I know agrees it was terrorism.

So there's less to talk about.

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

It wasn't terrorism. It was a hate crime and fucking awful. But terrorism has political motives (ie Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist).

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

And he told the police he wanted to start a race war. How is that not a definition of terrorism?

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

No. That isn't political. He wasn't doing that so that the police would start killing people. Or to say that the government should legalize killing black people.

That would make Charles Manson a terrorist. He isn't. He is just a crazy fucker who hates some group or another.

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

He... what?

He did it because he believed that black people were a threat to white people, and he wanted to kill them, and he wanted to inspire other white people to an awareness of those things which he saw as facts and which we know to be delusions.

It was absolutely a political motive.

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

This.

The Charles Manson analogy above anon uses doesn't work because, Charles Manson never really had an ideology besides causing chaos.

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT, but, um, actually Charles Manson did have an ideology, and starting a race war was part of his admittedly crazy process of achieving his ends.

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

Here you go:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helter_Skelter_%28Manson_scenario%29

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

I don't have any strong feelings on whether or not it was terrorism. But it certainly had political, ideological motives.

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

He said, "You're raping our women and you have to go."

I'm not saying that it's white women's fault (noooooo) but he clearly had a political motive (as stupid as it was --and he wanted to start a race war). And he clearly wanted to terrify black people.

It's terrorism.

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

No. By definition it is not. What political group was he hoping working with against?

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[(Anonymous)]

Woops, I meant "was he hoping to work with or against"?

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

He was hoping to work with extreme right-wing racist and nationalist parties (and with unorganized people sharing those views), against what he saw as the broad union of liberal, progressive, anti-racist, and minority groups and political forces.

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

terrorism: the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

The fuckhead's political aims were to intimidate black people, force them leave, and start a race war.

Stupid as fuck, but they don't have to be complex.

And given the flags he displayed of white supremacist states...

He is as much a terrorist as the Boston bombers.

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

+1

This isn't even an argument. Anon is just factually wrong

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

Really? Then so is the FBI. :( http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fbi-director-says-charleston-shooting-not-terrorism/

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

I don't care if it's terrorism.

It was clearly a political act. If the FBI director, for some reason God only knows, says otherwise, he's wrong.

Did you read the lad's manifesto?

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

I'm gonna go with the FBI on this and not anons on F!S. :)

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

shut up otakugal

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

+1

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

because law enforcement and the government have been so historically great with race-based issues. :)

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

So...no. He didn't have a political goal. Scaring black people is a HATE crime not terrorism.

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

Wanting to start a civil war between whites and blacks IS a political goal. A fucking stupid one. But still political.

Re: Charleston and Facebook

[(Anonymous)]

It's a political thing if it's in the context of a broader political ideology and goal

Which, in this case, it CLEARLY was