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So it's ok to steal from faceless corporations. What if the staff is penalized for stolen goods though?

How? I've worked in fast food. There's no random check to see if the amount of syrup left in the machines matches the changeout. There are no storefront security cameras (unless you live in a really terrible location, but this wasn't one of those times).

The only way they'd get penalized is if I got caught, and then they wouldn't get penalized. It would be me.

Nobody really loses, except corporate supply lost a few cents of sucrose purchase and the franchise owner potentially a lost a $0.40 profit for his personal employees.

I can't feel bad about that.

Edited 2015-06-30 00:34 (UTC)

As long as not too many people do this, it doesn't matter, true.
You live a dangerous life. )

lol truly. And I actually lied a bit in my previous comment, since the employees don't actually see any of that $0.40, just the owner. The employees get paid their minimum wage regardless.

I'd never rob a place at gunpoint or steal valuables from someone individually, but I don't see filching things from corporate pockets as particularly destructive given all the destructive, evil business practices that are allowed to occur in this capitalist society of ours.

Except that if enough people think like you (and a lot of people do) then the corporation will just pass on the extra cost to the consumer by jacking up the prices.

Oh the poor darlings.

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dude, this is why people think you're an asshole

Because ... I don't care about corporations raising soda prices?

Even though they raise prices whenever their current economic trajectories demand it anyway?

That is also truly tragic and I am just the worst.

Being a disingenuous asshole doesn't fool anyone with reading comprehension skills.

Disingenuous how?

Because you know it's not just about corporations raising soda prices, it's about corporations raising soda prices in response to people like you that take extra soda they haven't paid for, while patting themselves on the back for it.

Yeah, no, I don't buy that argument so there's nothing disingenuous about my position here.

I will never care about a potential fraction of a cent increase that gets calculated out of probability values (i.e. even if I never ever took extra anything, they would still work that increase into their price point and charge it regardless, based on the chance that someone might steal product).

There are people who don't buy the moon landing, but that doesn't alter reality. If nobody stole soda, there would be no need to raise prices to compensate for the theft. But people do, because they think exactly like you do. You can try to distance yourself from that fact (though goodness knows you've made a hash of it in this thread) but everyone else saw right through you in a flash.

But go on telling yourself you're right and it's okay. Just don't expect other people to agree that what you're doing is harmless.

Re: morally reprehensible stuff

herpymcderp - 2015-06-30 02:19 (UTC) - Expand

oh ffs dude

If you're okay with shafting your fellow consumers, at least have the decency not to pretend that it's all about getting one over on The Man and nobody else loses.

And yes, stuff like this is why people think you're an asshole.

But nobody loses, so I don't see your point.

This may come as a surprise to you, but not everyone enjoys paying higher prices because other people feel entitled to stuff they haven't paid for.

See thread below.

It's true, though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retail_loss_prevention

The way fast food places price soda is ridiculously high, I agree. Part of the reason why they do so is because they know that there will be a certain number of people who ask for a free water cup and then fill it with soda, or people who will get more refills than are permitted because they either don't care, or like you, they think they're only cheating a big evil corporation.

But that's pretty naive. I mean, like... college freshman PETA member naive. The corporations know full well there are people like you out there. They build in that calculated loss into the price of the merchandise because they know they can't stop you, but they can spread around the damage you do so it doesn't hurt the company. They pass on that damage to the customers, so even people who don't take a little extra soda *winkwink* get to pay for the people who do.

Which is, you know, up to you. But pretending otherwise is very transparent, which is why people are annoyed at you.

So you believe that, if fewer people took soda using water cups, corporations would reduce their soda prices?

Like, that's seriously the position that you're taking here?

like seriously that link you posted doesn't even include anything about businesses actually raising prices as a result of shoplifting

it's about loss prevention, which is a totally different thing

But that's still an essentially negligible value to the actual consumer, since they're still not going to raise prices higher than anyone is willing to pay. The actual value of that increase is on the level of a fraction of a cent per unit of product.

Besides, we're talking about a non-essential commodity of which I might have appropriated a total of four or five times in my life.

Also, I resent the implication that I have anything to do with PETA.

+1

Local transportation in my city is rising prices constantly (I think we have the most expensive service in the continent as now) thanks to all the people that sneak in without paying and the fact that they haven't been able to stop that.

In this case they don't even lose anything by carrying a few (ok, more than a few but it's not even 2% of the users) extra passengers, but all those unpaid tickets are being paid by the people who do pay for the service.

Thinking corporations (whether retail ones or other kind) just "take the lose" is naive. They care far too much about their profit to not make someone else pay.

But that's a completely different situation, both morally (it's a public utility, not a corporation) and economically (it's a public utility, not a corporation).

A public service like transportation probably has some kind of mandate or goal of keeping prices low and ensuring wide access, and it's a question of getting necessary funding to keep going. A corporation doesn't give a shit about any of that; it's (for the most part) a question of maximizing revenue. Of course they'd like to make someone else pay for shoplifting, if possible, but price increases would not be an effective tool. If they were an effective tool, the corporation would probably already have implemented them regardless of shoplifting.

No they won't.

Like, what's the underlying economic justification for them doing so? If they could just trivially increase prices so as to ameloriate the losses, without losing business, they'd already have done so. It's not like they're operating out of some sense of economic fair play here; they're going to charge the highest price the market will bear, regardless of what anyone else does (with all of the obvious caveats and exceptions etc etc etc)

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