fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #3100 ]

⌈ Secret Post #3100 ⌋

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[Assassin's Creed Syndicate, Dishonored 2]

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[Gaia Online]

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[Brendon Urie, Panic! at the Disco (+P!nk, Teresa Marie)]

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[Winona Ryder in Heathers]

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[Orphan Black]

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[Miraculous Ladybug]

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[The Mentalist]

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[Legend]

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[Spy (2015)]

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[Bridget Marquardt, Girls Next Door]

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While Fandom says they want great stories about women of all body types, they only want to write and draw about hot guys fucking each other (with the occasional children's show throw in).

Not OP, but sadly I think you make a good point. But not all fandoms rely on that. You'd be surprised.

This is true. Saying they want the former gives them cause to bitch about everything that they don't have and ignoring what they do get in favor of the latter ensures that they'll never run out of things to bitch about.

And really, isn't that the internet is for? The ability to loudly bitch about how wronged we all are by the patriarchy/white men/straight men/brainwashed women?

At this point, is a post like this even necessary? Let alone the constant repetition of posts exactly like this?

Agreed.

If you don't fucking like it, don't fucking read it. What sort of replies did you expect to find here?

How is someone supposed to know whether they like something without reading it?

I rarely see posts like this here? Maybe I'm not in the right threads...

AYRT

Litterally, nothing in fandom is necessary. WTF is this comment even? "Oh noes! People are espousing views I don't like!"

Imagine if anybody had come in said "Do we really need more posts hating on SPN for its queer baiting? Do we really need to keep talking about gay or trans issues? HASN'T IT ALL BEEN SAID?!!" People would be through. the. roof. And rightfully so.

It's not that I disagree with the views. It's just that there's nothing differentiating this post from any other post like it. Just be less banal about it.

Also, less creating caricatures of your political opponents would be nice.

It's not "a political opponent" it's a very real, very loud fringe movement that gives MY GROUP a bad name.

BRAVO!!! PREACH.

Do we really need more posts hating on SPN for its queer baiting?

lmao

or, you know, we can want both? More good stories featuring women of different body types and hot dudes fucking each other? Wanting one thing doesn't mean the other can't still exist.

Yeah....but OP was talking about fandom particularly fics, AU GIFsets, and shipping.

I know what OP is referring to.

The majority of fandom consists of people who find men attractive. These people are typically women. Women want to see themselves represented, thus they clamor for stories driven by other women. People who are attracted to men often like to see and read about men fucking because that's hot. So, women want positive representation and people in fandom want to also see men fuck. Which is why you can see both people calling for female representation and people posting fanmedia about hot dudes fucking.

Yes, but while they're clamoring for hot dudes fucking, the women they want to be seeing become the less important thing from a business standpoint. Nice to have, sure, but far less important than the hot dudes that keep women coming back.

Film and television is a business. Not a diversity toy box.

That's a decision by the studios, and kind of a bullshit one, and you can't lay it at the feet of the fans.

Just, fuck that shit. Fuck putting all the responsibility for changing the system on the people watching it (and specifically fangirls). Fuck that.

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(Anonymous) - 2015-06-30 23:37 (UTC) - Expand

This doesn't even make any sense in light of Mad Max. A large part of the reason the movie was so beloved was because of the large cast of female characters. If we are given representation, we will come back for that. If we are given fuckable dudes, well, that's just par for the course.

But why should studios try and bring in more female characters if hot male characters attract just as many people? If all they see about on the internet about Jurassic World is how fuckable Chris Pratt is why wouldn't they focus on Chris Pratt more next time

art

(Anonymous) - 2015-06-30 23:35 (UTC) - Expand

Honestly, it's a bit of an shitty ouroboros, in a way. We accept what we're given (white dudes), we try and appreciate what we are given (more white dudes) and we continue to be given the same thing over and over. It wouldn't matter if fandom celebrated Claire's character, because we are not as important as the masses in the long run. Studios don't want to please girls and women with representation because we are such a small piece of the puzzle and we accept what they feed us anyway. (We kind of have to also because sometimes they don't like us ending up as their main audience.) Which is why I say we can ask for more representation while talking about how fuckable Chris Pratt is. It's completely normal to talk about how fuckable someone is. Guys do it all the time.

Yet, it's the female fans who are somehow hurting themselves by both asking to see women represented and wanting to see hot guys? Why should the impetus be on us? We should eschew what we are presented because somehow we aren't allowed to ask for representation all the while enjoying our sexuality?

No, fuck that.

The problem I have with what you're saying is it comes across like in order to have more representation of women, straight women have to stop finding guys hot and enjoying looking at them.

That's what people say when their fave doesn't have a fandom, but it could just be that in case that movie doesn't have what it takes to get a fandom.