[ SECRET POST #3104 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3104 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

How is 'ruining one's childhood' bigoted? *headtilt*

[(Anonymous)]

I think it's the implication.

Like...if someone posted that their father said, upon hearing that people ship Bond and Eve Moneypenny in Skyfall that it was "traumatizing" or "destroyed" Bond for him, that would come across as pretty racist. Especially because the two actors have such great chemistry (think of the shaving scene alone, for example).

Or for James Bond/Silva, same deal -- saying it's "traumatizing" that people ship it has rather unfortunate homophobic/bigoted implications. I mean, they do tease at it in the film itself.

[(Anonymous)]

Or it could mean that they think Bond shouldn't be in any kind of relationship as they could think that Bond is 'married' to the job so to speak. *shrugs*

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but the fact that he's responding to SHIPPING of the character is what's kind of weird.

Like, it'd be one thing if he said a canon relationship ruined Bond because Bond should be single, DAMMIT!

But when you're saying that people who like the idea of Bond/Eve or Bond/Silva and are writing fanfic is traumatizing and destroys Bond...well...that comes across differently to me.

[(Anonymous)]

But you said, I'm following your comments here, your ship is slash and I have a feeling it isn't canon so maybe the family member of that person just likes their relationship because it isn't romance and were defensive because maybe it's their brotp from childhood.

This is stupid and as OTT as someone calling your ship traumatizing because you are implying that if someone finds your ship ridiculous then they are homophobic but they are not. If your ship is not canon and they aren't written as a romantic couple chances are more than a person will disagree with you.
I've read worse things written about the slash fans, you are too touchy. We aren't even talking about that person's opinion, you are calling them out on an opinion someone in their family had and essentially calling them bigoted for describing the way someone they know feels about your ship.

[(Anonymous)]

I think the point isn't that the person finds it ridiculous (because we've all felt that way about some ships!) it's the fact that this person went out of their way to say that their father found the ship traumatizing and destroyed his childhood.

Like...why say that? If you look at Bond/Eve Moneypenny (someone pointed out that Bond/Silva is predatory so we can always change that to Bond/Q) saying that your dad thinks it's "traumatizing" that other people ship them has really bigoted overtones. Does the fact that the dad might consider Bond/Eve a brotp mitigate that?

If he wants Bond to stay single in canon, that's one thing (Bond IS a playboy historically). It's the line between saying "I don't like this ship" or "This ship doesn't work for me" and passing judgement on a ship. Which, calling a ship "traumatizing," definitely is.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's really reasonable to leap to homophobia if someone's squicked over a ship that pairs a character who was being overtly predatory with the target of that predatory behavior.

Silva wielded his apparent sexuality as a weapon against Bond in an attempt to disquiet him and drive home their relative stations on the island. It didn't work, but it was still a deeply unsettling scene, and that is going to flavor a lot of people's reactions to the ship.

(And yes, the scene invoked some pretty homophobic tropes in its own right, but the fact that the predatory gay/bisexual trope comes from a place of homphobia doesn't make it homophobic to react to a predatory character as though they are, in fact, predatory.)

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I don't get that either. Either OP is holding out on pertinent information, or they're using the word wrong. Even odds for either scenario.

[(Anonymous)]

DA
I think it's because the two things are unconnected? If you grew up liking the Smurfs and freakin' loving that cartoon and it was everything to you. And then as an adult you find out that someone else hated that cartoon...
Ok?
How does that have any impact on your childhood? You still have every single memory of loving the cartoon. Your childhood is intact. No one is insisting you have to support and take on their opinion as your own. "You hate it? I hate it now too!" but... how does it affect your childhood?

It's sort of implying that someone has such a strong overly emotional reaction to the very thought of someone else liking the idea of Brainy having a crush on Papa Smurf that they literally can't access or enjoy their childhood memories anymore. And that's really not a healthy response to finding out another fan had a different opinion of a show, and sort of indicates a phobia or obsession of some kind.

So that's why people jump to it must be homophobia, because that's not a normal response! A normal response is "Huh, I never saw it that way and doubt I ever will" and then on with your life.