[ SECRET POST #3106 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3106 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I do feel bad that tumblr is apparently full of teenage girls using social justice to tell fans of other ships that they're bad people, but I do sometimes wonder whether it's as (a) pervasive and (b) different from pre-tumblr stuff as people make out

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, me too. I was late to make the LJ--->tumblr move, but I distinctly remember the poisonous debates in certain non-fandom comms ca. 2010-ish. I think it was brewing before tumblr took over, and tumblr by its very nature merges fandom with other issues a hella lot more effectively than other platforms ever did.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm pretty sure that the fandom extreme SJW phase started somewhere around 2010, or at least that's when I remember first running into it. At first it was on LJ and probably Dreamwidth (and possibly other sites, whatever was popular back then), but it was around the same time as Tumblr started getting big and LJ started dying, so Tumblr got associated with the mindset.

[(Anonymous)]

If what went around on tumblr stayed on tumblr no one would care. But the extent that hive mind has on otherwise rational people is quite disturbing. I've had to drop people who were once quite rational because tumblr did such a number on their heads. Sad, really.

[(Anonymous)]

And people never got a bunch of damn fool ideas in their heads before tumblr?

[(Anonymous)]

Of course they did
But tumblr, for whatever reason, creates perfect storms of stupid.

[(Anonymous)]

Truth.

This explains Tumblr perfectly...

[(Anonymous)]

...dammit.

I wish I had a penny for every time someone has told me Tumblr has ruined something for them. I'd be richer than Scrooge McDuck.

[(Anonymous)]

+1. I have people I was friends with on LJ or DW who went completely off the deep end on tumblr. It was really strange.

[(Anonymous)]

It is rather pervasive on Tumblr, more-so than pre-Tumblr if only because it's much easier to find people via Tumblr than it was on LJ or anywhere else for that matter. Pre-Tumblr, you had to catch the post or have a "problematic" fic rec'd to you. On Tumblr, you only have to look for the right tags to find people to harass or bitch at for having something you disagree with.

[(Anonymous)]

Unfortunately.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not so much that it's different as Tumblr's reblogging feature means opinions can spread like wildfire. Its appearance as an echo chamber makes sense when you think that, why bother writing your own thoughts when someone's already written it for you and you can share that?

And once something gets reblogged around, and it happens to be something people disagree with, or there's something that needs correcting, it's hard to take it back where everyone can see, short of asking Tumblr to nuke the original post and all reblogs.

Basically it all comes down to the reblogging feature.

[(Anonymous)]

Like a cliff for the lemmings.

[ariakas]

So, something that never actually happens in reality but was a myth so prevalent it had to be staged by camera crews?

[(Anonymous)]

DA - That is so perfect a response that I want to cross-stitch it surrounded by flowers, frame it, and hang it on my wall.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes! Yes! Yes!

(oh boy, now I have the Herbal Essences ads in my head now)

[(Anonymous)]

This. Tumblr has specific technical features that make it an incredibly bad and dangerous place for ideas and information, for the same reasons it's a great place for art and animated GIFs of pretty boys.

[ariakas]

"Dangerous place for ideas and information"

Wait, I thought it was the tumblr crowd we were accusing of groupthink and quashing independent thought, here.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm sure they meant spreading extremely questionable ideas (see: the shoplifting community) and misinformation but enjoy it up there on your high horse.

[(Anonymous)]

The thing with pre-tumblr stuff is that it was easy to get away from it if you weren't personally involved.

A fandom specific LJ comm going batshit? Leave it and join/create another one. A forum's admin decided to change everything for SJ-like reasons/how dare they to ship that? Leave it, and go to another.

Now that tumblr is the main fandom site, we don't have that kind of separation. Everything is on the tags and blacklisting/blocking stuff and people is never enough and even if you follow only a few selected people and avoid the tags, someone may still find you and give you a "friendly" reminder that ___ is wrong.

And there's the hive mind issue that was mentioned up-thread, so basically: tumblr amplifies the worse of fandom with ease.

[(Anonymous)]

Well said. Fandom feels like it's much more lockstep and conformist now.

[ariakas]

wat

I follow several tumblrs from people in my fandoms who are pro-gun, outspoken Republicans and militaria aficionados and not once has any of them ever been attacked by the dreaded hivemind. I haven't seen a single comment "policing" anybody's right to like anything in literally years following tumblr fandom CoD, RE, Ao2, Battlefield, STALKER, Metro, firearms...

So yeah "those people" are actually completely avoidable and it's entirely possible they won't follow you off on your own shit at all. I heard about how terrible and insipid and "SJW" and hive-minded tumblr was for ages before I actually joined it, only to find it was ten kinds of horseshit. Sure, I honestly think there are ways in which old!LJ!fandom was better, but everything I've been told about tumblr so far has been lies.

Feel free to keep hiding under your bed, trembling at the thought that someone might disagree with you about something, or not like what you like, and have the audacity to say so to you, though.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, and we all know, if you haven't personally encountered it, it must mean it doesn't exist!

The fandoms you listed are not the ones best known for this type of behaviour. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist elsewhere. So fuck you very much.

[(Anonymous)]

(ayrt)

I'm bemused.

Why, exactly, are you assuming your experience is everyone's experience so anyone who says something different is lying?

This is even more confusing because I never said all tumblr is evil, just that the worst parts are more obvious are harder to avoid.

Hell, my own experience on tumblr has been relatively ok, but despite being a low profile user, getting into fandoms with heavy SJW presence ended with me getting involved once in a "right pronouns for a character" wank and during that time I got a good amount of pretty offensive anon asks. That fandom also taught me to never visit or use certain tags.

But the thing that makes me wonder if maybe you wanted to reply another comment is this: "trembling at the thought that someone might disagree with you about something, or not like what you like".

And you know why? Because not caring about other's people tastes and wanting to have a fun fandom experience is not the same as being unable to stand other people's different opinions.

In fact the ones that can't tolerate other people having different tastes are the issue in tumblr, since they have demonstrated they're willing to do anything to try chasing anyone who disagree with them away in an attempt to make tumblr into their private echo chamber. (And sadly, there are enough examples of that... but if you consider them false because it's not your experience)

[(Anonymous)]

it's changed forms. it used to be bashing female characters and bashing ships, and writing fics where they turned characters into harpies.

now when they have ship wars they justify it with 'you're ship's abusive' 'that character's problematic'