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[ SECRET POST #392 ]

⌈ Secret Post #392 ⌋

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Liz will BRB, she got newted

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wtf.

I'm seeing white privelage.... in that I wish my RP partners DIDN'T play as many white people? I'm not BLAMING a minority, btw. Anyway, I'm stopping this conversation right now because, wow. You're an idiot.

Oh God. Of course you don't. Telling people to 'stfu' about black characters was just for aesthetics purposes, wasn't it.

Good you are stopping. BINGO

Um. Actually no.

It was more the fact that everyone sits there and says blacks have it so fucking bad, but they forget about native americans, they forget about aboriginal australians, they forget about every other culture that 'white guys' have fucked up.

But don't worry, you keep thinking that.

*sigh* Okay, I clearly don't have much to do today.

What about... telling people they should represent other minorities without trying to shut out black people?

Because, like it or not, black people are still stereotyped, under-represented, etc. Even if they are more represented than other ethnicities.

They have to talk, honey. And they have to talk about them. It's just that there is still a awesome lack of other POC characters that doesn't have anything to do with black characters.

I'm not trying to 'shut out' black people. I'm saying STFU to those blacks who think that they are the only misrepresented/undrerepresented/IMPORTANT minority out there.

... Amazingly I've never heard a black person saying that. I just hear them focusing on their own problems.

Mmm.

Mmh, well I have.

Do you really think it's black people who keep white people from noticing other minorities? Seriously? Seriously??

Like white people have all minorities on some kind of meter and black people are taking up too much of the time allotted--?!

... Dude. I'm talking about blacks that think they're the only people in the world that are a minority, have suffered, etc etc.

Well, *everyone* should listen. It's not just blacks with that myopic a world view on suffering.

OPPRESSION OLYMPICS

You can phrase it any way you like. It always sounds like rationalizing not wanting to hear of someone's suffering. Period.

Just because you know one person with a broken hand and someone else with a broken hand *and* a broken leg doesn't mean the former's hand is any less broken or in need of repair. Maybe he doesn't need help as urgently--but he still needs help.

I have seen Asians complain about Blacks not paying attention to other minorities' suffering (and taking attention away from other minorities' suffering.)

I'm not saying I agree with it, just that I've seen it happen-- and the person complaining may not actually be white.

Away? What are we? Things that compete for 'white' attention?

It doesn't even matter if they say they suffer more or whatever. That isn't even the problem.

Now, white people who focus on POC "whining"...

It's not like I think it's a zero-sum game.

All I was trying to say is that White people aren't the only ones who talk like that.

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(Anonymous) - 2008-02-02 23:37 (UTC) - Expand

So what if Blacks pay attention to the suffering of other groups or not. It's not the Blacks who are in a position to do anything about it. Black people are completely aware of the suffering of other groups, but in their case it's strictly academic; a personal choice. At the end of the day, each group can only tell their own story, and wouldn't presume--and shouldn't presume--to tell the story of another group. Other groups can certainly speak for themselves.

And if it appears to you that Blacks have "too" much to say, blame the history, not its people. Blacks have been here *centuries* longer and spent most of that time persecuted most especially and publicly and let's not forget legally, as if it was the only way the country could function.

In other words, don't take it personal if hearing about the suffering of other groups is a luxury some Blacks cannot afford. That's just reality.

And more Blacks would sympathize with the other nationalities suffering American racism if some of these groups weren't used as further tools of racist persecution against them (aka who owns *your* neighborhood stores).

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ryuutchi.livejournal.com - 2008-02-03 03:02 (UTC) - Expand

... Uh. God no. Now, tell me you aren't white too.

When you have to live with it, honey? Perspective changes.

I like it how anyone who says things like this is assumed to be white. I also like it how "white" becomes just as racist a term as anything that is said about minority groups- "white" has become "entitled racist", and that's bullshit.

There are also other things that mean one has to live with being oppressed. Sure, homosexuality isn't visible by sight, but it sure is visible when you can't marry someone you've been with for 30 years. Last I checked, skin color had nothing to do with who you could marry.

So please get off of your high horse and stop pretending that you aren't expressing racist opinions here. Stop assuming things about the people who are posting- it only makes you look like an idiot in the end.

Last I checked, skin color had nothing to do with who you could marry. I suggest you pick up a history book. Start with the term miscenegation.

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karnythia.livejournal.com - 2008-02-04 05:18 (UTC) - Expand

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thrives.livejournal.com - 2008-02-04 12:18 (UTC) - Expand

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karnythia.livejournal.com - 2008-02-04 14:38 (UTC) - Expand

Sweety. Just no. Please. I won't educate you. Sorry.

If you want to pretend you are just as oppressed being white, do it.

I will tell you something, reverse-racism? Bullshit. http://www.raceandhistory.com/selfnews/viewnews.cgi?newsid1024893033,80611,.shtml
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0920-06.htm

Ah, look at me. In the end I'm educating you.

If you aren't a white racist? This isn't about you. So shut up. But stop pretending you don't have privileges you sure have.

Of course you can be discriminated for your sexuality or gender. We just aren't talking about that, aren't we?

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thrives.livejournal.com - 2008-02-04 12:15 (UTC) - Expand

EXACTLYYYYYYYYYYYYY. Hahaha.

This thread is like every discussion I have ever had on race and white privilege and the assumption that because my skin color happens to be rather light, I am a) completely 100% TERRIBLY RACIST caucasian, and b) I must also have had a way easier life because I'm not black.

tealizard, you have all of the props I can possibly give for dealing with someone who argues like this. x]

So does the OP, since ~hispanic~ isn't ~not white~ enough for this righteously pissed off Anon. Jeez. :|

You have no idea how much time I have spent smacking down idiots like this. Hell, its probably one of the same people I've argued with before.

Seriously, like... I understand history, but it's history. Yes rascism still exists, but white does not = evil.

Thanks yo.

They just won't be smacked down, though. x[ oh woe is me, is the whole world exactly like my college?

Oh god. D: Don't worry, I'm also dealing with a white male who believes he knows how rascism and sexism FEELS rather than offering outsider commentary on them.

It's very funny. VERY VERY FUNNY.

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