[ SECRET POST #3125 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3125 ⌋

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[fscom]

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[elaminator]

That's fair enough. (Not that I haven't seen non-canon pairings get criticized, but you're right in that even if one interpretation is more popular than others, there's probably going to be a bigger variety because the pairing isn't 'set in stone'.)

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, water is apparently wet.

To be fair, though, dear OP, many shippers of the non canon ships want to have the cake and eat it too e.g., :
A) bashing canon ship A for stuff their non canon ship B gets a free pass for.
If, say, you keep bashing canon ship A for having a unhealthy relationship, or cos the characters are not compatible for you, but then preach about your non canon ship B being the better alternative even though the characters have an unhealthy relationship in canon, it's possible the fans of the canon ship will call you out on that
B) if you are preaching to the other fans about how obvious it is that your non canon ship is the real thing and most well developed thing instead of the canon ship, it's possible other fans will debunk your theories.

If you want your non canon ship to get considered as a valid alternative to the canon one, then you gotta accept it when it's criticized using the same source you use to criticize the canon ship: canon.

[(Anonymous)]

It's... different in my main fandom. Thought that was how it generally was. No one questions the juggernaut pairing that the writers ship and which is considered canon. Almost everyone loves it and 75% of fic or more is that pairing.

Noncanon pairings in this fandom on the other hand are usually written by few, but definitely reviled by many. When discussed, it is always how those shipping it are insane and how can they do that, when it's obvious the writers didn't want it.

[(Anonymous)]

It's weird in my fandom. There are two huge ships that stand out the most against the rest but they are not in competition with each other because they involve different characters. Neither of them are canon but they are probably as close to it the characters will have. One relationship is meant to parallel the other in a lot of ways, and they have the same issues. Yet, only one of them is widely accepted and loved while the other one gets all the criticism and hate. The only real difference is once have known each other since childhood and the other haven't known each other as long.

I... don't understand why it's like this. It's kinda frustrating because on the surface it doesn't seem like there should be any ship drama, yet people have weird double standards so it makes things more tense in fandom.

Personally both those ships make me uncomfortable and I don't like either of them for the same reason, yet I hate how only one of them gets so much shit while the other is excused for some reason that escapes me.

[diet_poison]

What fandom is that?

[(Anonymous)]

On the flip side, it's also true that the people who criticize the canon ships the most are the noncanon shippers, and they do that out of bitterness and to rain on the other fans' parade. Not to even mention those having sour grapes.

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, not really. It depends on the ship. Some ships are hated even by people who don't ship anything. It's just people who ship a non-canon ship probably take it more personally.

[dani_phantasma]

I...sort of agree at least with the "canon=/= perfect" I once had a debate with someone about it. They were one of those people who seemed to thought all the people who hated how PP turned out were just "jealous" of Sam.

OP - Bit of background

[(Anonymous)]

I have a friend who simply does not understand why I criticize her canon pairing but not my own noncanon one.

And the reason is simple: I can FIX the unhealthy elements of my pairing in fic. I KNOW it's not perfect, but when I write it, I usually progress the relationship so that they overcome those obstacles. And given that the two characters in question aren't actually a couple on the show, it's not a HUGE deal. The unhealthy behavior they exhibit is MUCH easier to get over considering they're in the process of developing their friendship but not actually a couple.

But her pairing has really unhealthy elements built into the romance that I CANNOT enjoy. If you get rid of it in fic, I think that's fine but in the show itself, it makes it impossible for me to ship it.

I'm not criticizing HER when I criticize her pairing. I'm criticizing the WRITING. And I don't think it's hypocritical of me to write the noncanon pairing because I go out of my way to avoid those elements when I write fic. But knowing that those unhealthy elements are canonically part of her pairing's romance bothers me and that's why I criticize how it's written.

Re: OP - Bit of background

[dani_phantasma]

Oh hey that's my exact issue with a canon pairing from one of my fandoms that I mentioned above. Sort of. It's always a lot of explaining about how I don't hate the pairing but I hate how the canon did the pairing.

Re: OP - Bit of background

[(Anonymous)]

I just really DESPISE the writers, I'll be honest.

And I think the only reason I like my pairing better is because the writers haven't had a chance to fuck it up.

I don't think my friend is a bad person or condoning abuse or anything for shipping it. But the things I'll accept in a fledgling friendship (that I can always smooth out in fic) aren't the same as those in a full-blown relationship where the people in question know and understand each other better (or at least they SHOULD).

Re: OP - Bit of background

[dani_phantasma]

Oh yeah. I understand.

I don't know if I despise the writers, myself. But I do kind of feel like Hartman (show seemed responsible for a lot of what was wrong with the ship) isn't the greatest writer. A big problem with the canon pairing I'm not a fan of was that one half of the pairing was always portrayed as right to the point of ignoring hypocrisy and the other was always sort of expected to admit he was wrong.

In a weird way it felt unfair for one half because the other always kept getting her way.

Re: OP - Bit of background

[(Anonymous)]

I have to wonder why canon shippers get so bothered by criticism. Isn't having your ship become canon the pinnacle of the shipping experience? I wouldn't know, my ships never become canon. But if you are completely satisfied with your ship then you shouldn't need validation from anyone else.

I think if one ship becomes canon then people should leave the non-canon shippers alone. Their ships will never become canon so there is no worry about the 'problems' of their relationship actually being a thing. Canon ships already won the grand prize so there is no need to kick the losers while they are down.

Re: OP - Bit of background

[(Anonymous)]

"I can FIX the unhealthy elements of my pairing in fic. "

Pretty sure your friend can do the same with their canon ship?
Sorry but using the 'can fix it on fanfiction' excuse when ppl criticize your ship is lame
You want to criticize the merits of her ship but won't allow anyone to criticize the merits of your own ship because you write it good in fanfictions? Oh well...

Re: OP - Bit of background

[(Anonymous)]

It is hypocritical if you are claiming your noncanon ship is the better ship because the canon ship has problematic elements, but you are giving a free pass to your faves whose dynamic has those problematic elements too. I can't see how their own problematic stuff would vanish if they were a couple because, if anything, if they have those problematic elements as friends too they might be worse as a couple but surely no better than the canon ship you criticize.
Fanfictions are irrelevant, both canon and non canon ships can be written 'perfect' in fanfiction for that matter but you are criticizing the canon and actual writing and if your faves suck too and for the same reasons you complain about the other ship, you are being a hypocrite if you preach about how better your ship would be based on canon.

If I were your friend I'd kindly ask you to shut up too and stop bothering me about my shipping preferences when yours are questionable too.

Re: OP - Bit of background

[(Anonymous)]

Can I just ask - is this about Sterek vs. Stiles/Malia?

[(Anonymous)]

There seems to be this mentality that once your ship becomes canon then it cannot be bashed or criticized ever again.

I use to be in fandoms with pretty brutal ship wars and kept thinking as long as my ship became canon then all the problems in fandom will go away. Wrong. Things get a lot more nasty when canon ships are involved. Everyone else in fandom unites against them to shame them.

It makes sense because that is where all the attention is directed. You can't expect people to be complaining about crack or non-canon ships. Once something becomes canon it is on a different level and a much easier target.

[diet_poison]

eh, I think all ships are subject to criticism. I don't think non-canon ships get a free pass either. If we're talking about writing then I'll evaluate it in fic. If we're just talking about character dynamics/morality/whatever, why should any relationship be judged by a different standard than another?

[(Anonymous)]

+1

When noncanon ships claim their ship is better than the canon one and base that on the character dynamics they have, it's only fair people will criticize the noncanon ship dynamic no less than the canon one.
Op seems to want their ship to get a free pass.