[ SECRET POST #3126 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3126 ⌋

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[(Anonymous)]

oh for fuck's sake

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[dethtoll]

I'm sorry facts upset you, nonny.

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[(Anonymous)]

i'm sorry you don't understand how language works

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[dethtoll]

lol what the fuck does that have to do with anything?

The problem here is that people assume that the DCCU movies are made by DC and since the movies are their sole exposure to the DC characters they tend to assume that the properties of the movies -- grimdark, kind of weak stories, tc. -- apply to the comics as well. This is objectively, factually wrong. DC makes the comics, WB makes the movies based on the comics. It's not hard.

Nobody gets this upset when someone points out that Fox, not Marvel, makes the X-Men movies.

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[(Anonymous)]

Well, because that's why I disagreed with you in that argument

what frustrated me is your insistence that "DC movie" can only possibly mean "a movie made by the company DC Comics"

that's why I think you are wrong, because words and phrases can sometimes mean more than one thing

if I was or am misinterpreting your argument I'm sorry, but I'm not sure how else to take what you were saying

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[(Anonymous)]

SA but you edited while I was posting so I didn't see your whole post, sorry.

my point is and was that while what you're saying is true, it's still accurate to call the movies DC movies. in the same way that I think it'd be accurate to call the X-men movies "Marvel movies". (it would be confusing for the X-Men movies in a way it wouldn't for the DC movies, because there's obviously also a lot of movies made by the Marvel studios, but it wouldn't be inaccurate - I mean, that's why we have the term Marvel Cinematic Universe in the first place, so that we can more easily distinguish between Marvel movies made by Marvel and Marvel movies that aren't).

I can appreciate and I agree with your desire to make it clear that the DC movies aren't an accurate reflection of DC comics and shouldn't be considered as definitive for the characters created and maintained by DC Comics and licensed to various other corporate entities. But that doesn't mean that it's wrong to talk about the DC movies, any more than it would be wrong to talk about the DC cartoons or DC toys. And your insistence - a really, really deeply committed insistence - that it was factually wrong to do so is really frustrating. They're two separate issues.

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[dethtoll]

Ultimately I just don't like when people think the comics are like the movies when they're not even made by the same people and I think it's important to make that distinction. The argument got out of hand because Kaijin's response to me explaining that was to basically say context doesn't matter and facts didn't exist and I reacted poorly to that because I hate wasting my time on people who won't listen.

Ultimately you're right, though. It IS still technically a "DC" movie because it uses DC characters. And I do use DCCU because if nothing else, that means I'm talking about the movies. (Then again, that might be confusing...) But it's still important to make the distinction.

I suppose it's easier to just blame David Goyer.

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[(Anonymous)]

I think the original argument was just people talking past each other. The person in question (who I respect not wanting to get involved in this shit again) should probably have made it clearer that they were saying that they specifically were talking about the movies, and that they had no connection to or feelings about the comics at all, in the first place, but I also think you did go too hard in response, because you do get super intense about DC. Which is fine in and of itself, but I think there are times when it'd probably be better to just chill.

All good though & I'm down to just blame David Goyer.

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[(Anonymous)]

But weren't they saying that their context is differnet from YOUR context?

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[dethtoll]

Yeah, but their context was incomplete.

Or to put it another way, they didn't have all the facts and I was just trying to, as anyone who likes something would, fill in a few blanks.

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[(Anonymous)]

But they were talking about how their opinion of the movies based on their context (or experience which is context) shaped their opinion of DC.

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[dethtoll]

And I was trying to correct that. In other words, their opinion was based on a misconception. I was trying to correct that misconception. Is that so wrong?

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[(Anonymous)]

No, it's not wrong, but I think your means were disproportionate to the desired end. You know what I mean?

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[dethtoll]

I wouldn't put it that way. I just get frustrated easily when people's debate tactics is to just repeat their original argument and not actually respond to the other person. So I tend to react poorly to that.

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[(Anonymous)]

Well, I don't think it was an argumentative tactic, so much as it was you guys just talking past each other. Which is maybe why it's so easy for stuff to go sideways. Mutual incomprehension.

And I totally get what you mean about frustration. But I think that's also kind of exactly what I'm talking about - because from the outside, the result of that frustration looks like it's massively out of proportion to the subject of the argument.

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[(Anonymous)]

I wonder if the other person felt that way about you.

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[(Anonymous)]

Well "Fuck this conversation and fuck your willful ignorance."

You sound like an asshole for basically calling someone purposefully stupid because you of how a stranger on the internet's opinion of DC differs from yours.

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[(Anonymous)]

sa

*because of how you

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[dethtoll]

I love how you imply that's the first thing I said right out the gate and not at the tail end of a long thread where I tried to explain something and they were just LA LA LA LA FACTS AREN'T REAL.

Who's the asshole here? Me, for getting frustrated, or you, for mischaracterizing my frustration as some sort of character flaw?

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[(Anonymous)]

"Nobody gets this upset when someone points out that Fox, not Marvel, makes the X-Men movies."

But people still call them Marvel movies and consider them part of the Marvel franchise and nobody goes NO THEY'RE NOT MARVEL THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH MARVEL THEY'RE FOX MOVIES STOP SAYING THEY HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH MARVEL BECAUSE THEY DON'T AHHHHHHHH YOU'RE STUPID AND CAN'T HANDLE FACTS AHHHHH.

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[(Anonymous)]

Lol. Dethtoll would if he wasn't on his knees for DC.

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[dethtoll]

lol

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[dethtoll]

Thank you for your childish reductionism of the argument I was trying to make. Really makes things easier for me.

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[(Anonymous)]

Your argument is idiotic. It was always idiotic. No amount of wailing or flapping your arms around is gonna change that.

And it's not a reduction, because it's exactly what happened.

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[dethtoll]

ok