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⌈ Secret Post #3127 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I have to admit...I don't think it was unreasonable that Taylor got upset and assumed Nikki was calling her out. Technically in a way she WAS. But when confronted about it Nikki just pulled a "It's not you, it's society/voters" or some shit.

Taylor was very gracious in apologizing when...technically by all rights she didn't have to. She had a good reason to be upset.

....man I can't believe I'm taking Taylor Swift's side.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, while I agree that Nikki was, implicitly focusing on Taylor, I still think it was stupid as hell for Taylor to get involved.

Since Nikki didn't mention her by name, it was obvious that she would have plausible deniability. Also, given what Taylor writes about, framing her argument as "women bashing women" came across as laughably hypocritical.

She's not necessarily wrong, but she should have kept her mouth shut.

[(Anonymous)]

If I can be honest, as a raging Taylor Swift stan, I have to admit that things like this are where she does tend to come across as the stupidest.

See also, her stupid controversy with Tina Fey and Amy Poehler

[(Anonymous)]

More like what Taylor used to write about and now seems to be trying to make up for that by being maybe a little too vehement in insisting women must support each other always.

[(Anonymous)]

It'd be way better if she'd just abandon that shit and be the Dark Queen of Pop she obviously secretly wants to be

Taylor Swift heel turn

I'm so ready

[fingalsanteater]

"Taylor Swift heel turn"

She takes a steel chair to Nikki at the VMAs and then suplexes her offstage.

[(Anonymous)]

BUT WOULDN'T THAT RULE, THOUGH

[fingalsanteater]

I would actually watch the VMAs if that was rumored to happen.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, but the fact that she USED to write about it -- that a lot of those songs made her famous and wealthy (I'm no fan but even I've heard of "You belong with me") -- mean that it IS going to come across as hypocritical.

Even with good intentions, you can't ignore the context of something and given Taylor's history, that argument isn't gonna fly, especially given that Nikki didn't call her out by name.

[(Anonymous)]

This sort of rubs me the wrong way, because it implies that a person can't ever grow past their history, and I...really don't agree with that. She's come out and openly said that she was coming from an ignorant place when she was writing what she did, and she's made an almost 180 degree flip on the woman-bashing songwriting. So I do think she has the right to speak on the issue, because it's something she's now very personally acquainted with.

[(Anonymous)]

Except Taylor's still doing it. See: Bad Blood, Katy Perry. Taylor only pulls out the "women bashing women" thing when she thinks someone is being meeean to her and then suddenly we must all be bestest friends. She's a hypocrite who can't handle being told anything even slightly negative and immediately plays the victim card whenever she's called out on it.

[(Anonymous)]

Bad Blood isn't a sexist or woman bashing song. It's a song about having anger towards another woman. There's a difference. Pretty much every woman alive has felt wronged by and has fought with another women at some point, and there's nothing wrong or anti-feminist with writing a song about that experience. Now if Taylor had called Katy a slut/whore/bitch/cunt, or made digs at her desirability to men in order to get at her, or implied that she was only succeeding in music because of her looks (like Nicki underhandedly did to Taylor), THAT would have been un-feminist and sexist.

Better Than Revenge, off of Taylor's third album, is a good example of what an un-feminist song looks like. However, as someone has already pointed out: people grow and change and develop, and I think it's ludicrous to continue calling Taylor Swift a hypocrite and declaring she can't be a feminist, because of a song she wrote when she was eighteen years old and which she no longer promotes.

And don't even get me started on how LUDICROUS it is that people continue to support Nicki Minaj as a feminist, of all people, when her songs consistently spout some of the most misogynist drivel I've heard from a female musician in a long while.

[(Anonymous)]

Taylor Swift only wants her women supporting women schtik when it applies to her and feeds her weird victim complex and it's honestly lauughable that she would accuse pitting against other woman when she makes none too subtle jabs about Katy Perry and the whole Bad Blood situation is about her and she is promoting it hard.

So yeah, I'm team no one but Taylor needs to start acting her age, not her demographic's age.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually, last I checked, Taylor ate humble pie and apologized without a word of complaint. And she did this even though she'd done nothing wrong and was being publicly blamed for another woman's immature, sore-loser behavior. That, to me, suggests a pretty massive amount of maturity.

As for Bad Blood - it's the media that's making a big deal about who specifically that song's about. Taylor has made a very concerted effort NOT to name names when asked who her songs are about, no matter how much people pry. It's not her fault that the public insists on making a catfight out of something so much smaller and more run of the mill.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

That is, she has made an effort not to name names except for John Mayer and Harry Styles. But honestly? My perspective is that John Mayer was probably such a nasty piece of work that he deserved being called out, and that "Style" is overall such a neutral-to-positive portrayal of Harry Styles that it was more a matter of Taylor wanting to pay him a compliment and honor their relationship than call him out on it.

YMMV, though, I suppose.

[(Anonymous)]

Taylor's made an effort not to name names, but it has also been made clear who it is about. And I generally assume that Taylor is in control of her pub enough that if she actually didn't want it that way, it wouldn't be.

For instance, probably no one would know about it if she hadn't talked about what it was about (albeit with no names, but still). That's not what you do if you really don't want it to get out

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly this. She tries to play coy by going I'm not naming names BUTTTTTT it's totally about those dancers who were stolen from me" and it's not hard to put together the peices.

Taylor has always done this shit, dropping hints in her songs about who it's about and talking about it. She's drinking her own kool-aid too much and the media/others have every right to call her out on this hypocrisy.

Guard your coffin, Anais Nin, the haters are coming for you next.

[(Anonymous)]

Why should Taylor worry herself about what other people may or may not put together when they pry into her business? Why would the burden be on her to somehow find a balance between writing songs that are personal to her and yet keeping them so nondescript and/or cryptic that the media can't figure it out? That sounds almost impossible to me, especially if one's writing style is personal and confessional, as Taylor's is.

By leaving people's names out of it, she allows her exs and ex-friends plausible deniability, and that's really what counts, especially in the world of the famous.

[(Anonymous)]

Actually I had no idea it was about Katy Perry up until I read this thread.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

That's a good point

Some of Taylor's career has been made out of passive aggressively vague referencing people who upset her.

How's it feel Taylor?

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

As that one cryptic Katy Perry tweet pointed out, this is literally a description of the specific video that she got nominated over Nicki for

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

True. I suppose i'm just bothered because the bloggers are framing it as Nikki being right and acting like Taylor's just a "silly white girl" for being bugged by it.

Neither of them are innocent.

Re: AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Internet gonna Internet

[(Anonymous)]

"Nikki"?

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

My mistake I apologize