[ SECRET POST #3133 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3133 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[The Guild]


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03.
[Harvest Moon: (More) Friends of Mineral Town]


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04.
[Gump, from Legend]


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05.
(Agent Carter)


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06.
[Jeeves and Wooster]


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07.
[Lupin III]


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08.
[Courtney Love & Kurt Cobain]


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(SPN)


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[Kasumi Goto, Mass Effect]











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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Actually yes, and frankly I am glad they are overseas. I feel sorry for the people around them, because the guys I know that joined up are horrible, horrible people, but I'd rather have them over there than over here.

They are certainly onboard with participating in giving the ragheads and the "ay-rabs" a good beating and they do not give a single shit about military ethics. They knew they were joining a military that killed innocents and civilians, and not only did they not care, they liked it. Support the troops? Why, they knowingly joined a military which has thrown away the rulebook. I support neither the mission, nor the troops that have knowingly signed up to perpetuate it. I don't see why I should either.

[(Anonymous)]

So you're generalizing the motivations of a couple of assholes you know to hundreds of thousands of people?

[(Anonymous)]

nayrt

Really. You think there's only 2 assholes in the whole of the military? That's so cute.

[(Anonymous)]

I just find it somewhat hypocritical to say "there are assholes in the military, therefore all people in the military are evil."

Because you know what? That's probably the same logic those assholes use:

"These fucking Ay-rubs attacked us. Let's kill the fuckers -- they're all evil! They all believe in a religion of EVIL and deserve to die!"

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Well, there's something to be said about an organization that attracts people who get off on killing. It's not like we're mobilizing petting zoo employees to take out ISIS. Military NEEDS and WANTS the bloodthirsty, pissed off, self-righteous people that they can send to do the dirty work without question.

[(Anonymous)]

That's like saying because jihad is a concept in Islam that all of its followers are bloodthirsty killers looking to destroy infidels.

Um...no. Religious war IS a thing in Islam but it's hardly the entirety of it.

Focusing on the worst elements of something and then generalizing it to the whole are how people justify hating a group of people.

[(Anonymous)]

Kind of a fail analogy. Islam as a whole is a group of people from which smaller extremist groups may form, much like America is a group of people from which smaller military groups form. These groups have their own specific rules that they follow that people in the larger surrounding groups generally do not.

[(Anonymous)]

Your analogy also works in the military...

"the military is a group of people from which smaller groups form" -- you know like the Army vs the Air Force vs the Navy. Or there's medics. Or special forces. Or translators. There's LOTS of ways you can subdivide the military and they often have specific rules and codes.

Again, it's like using ISIS and the actions of the September 11th terrorists to hate on Muslims.

[(Anonymous)]

*whoooosh*

[(Anonymous)]

It's funny how you don't see how similar you are to the people you hate, I quite agree.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

I don't support the mission of ISIS and AQ, nor do I support those who knowingly joined up with ISIS and AQ knowing their mission. Same with the military.

[(Anonymous)]

Because "the military" = people who all believe exactly the same thing and want to kill Ay-rubs instead of a wide variety of people who have a huge range of beliefs and reasons for their service?

But, yes, sit there and judge the horrible military people while my friend went to Afghanistan as a medic and treated children with third degree burns because their fathers dipped them in boiling water when they wouldn't stop crying.

Indeed you are morally superior.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. they volunteered to leave the general population and join a violent service. That is exactly what is happening with ISIS too.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you daft?

You realize that NOT EVERYTHING THE MILITARY DOES IS VIOLENT.

You realize that Naval hospital ships provide disaster relief?

That one of the US Navy's biggest goals is to secure shipping lanes?

That when Russia took Crimea troops were sent to several Baltic states AT THEIR REQUEST?

The US Coast Guard?

Different pats of the US Military have different MISSIONS -- which is why I object to you characterizing EVERYONE the same way.

[(Anonymous)]

You seem to be avoiding the point that once you've joined the gang, you go where it tells you. That means when you join, you are happy being sent to be a bastard on demand. It doesn't matter that they have a PR friendly division, because even inner city gangs do nice stuff around the hood for their supporters, doesn't mean they aren't also the people that set fire to other people and are just as happy. You keep wanting to avoid that point. You join up, you are happy being part of a movement which breaks international law and kills non-combatants and participates in torture, and those medics and translators they help with that too.

[(Anonymous)]

Go ahead and white-out ISIS there and type in Al-Queda and you've got exactly the reasons we're now fighting ISIS. We have no business being involved in the Middle East, we have no plan for really combating ISIS properly (hint: it would need a draft to have sufficient boots on the ground to deal with it) and we will only make a temporary dent at best before our hamfisted intervention brings about something worse. That has been the entire history Middle Eastern intervention since the end of WW2. It isn't about self-defense, or even getting even for 9/11. We are now creating spawning grounds for more terrorists than we would if we stayed out. It is about nothing more than trying to look tough in front of the other nations of the world. I don't support that, and I don't support any troops who are part of that.

[(Anonymous)]

Why so defensive? We all know the current mission is fucked up, the military is fucked from top to bottom, and the people in it are being asked to do things that are both horrible and actively put this country in more danger. Not only that, but the people who are in the military right now have chosen to sign up knowing that. Why should they be supported and liked for joining a service that is so beyond fucked up it isn't even funny?

[(Anonymous)]

Because you're taking the worst elements of the military and using it to hate on everyone in it, just like the assholes in the military take the worst aspects of Islam or its practitioners (like ISIS) to justify their hate and atrocities.

Like, I get it, there's been a lot of fuck ups in the Middle East.

But that's hardly the end-all be-all of the military.

Considering this exists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USNS_Mercy_(T-AH-19)

Yeah, I'm gonna take issue with everyone being smeared because of the actions of a few.

You can argue about politics and leaders, but saying hundreds of thousands or millions of people deserve to be scorned is fucked up, in my opinion.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't see any troops actively trying to fix that fuck up (Chelsea Manning aside). No, they are all busy following orders and happy being part of that military and I don't see the need to support that.

[(Anonymous)]

You sound like Fox News getting on Muslim people's cases for not doing anything to stop ISIS or terrorism -- as though they implicitly support it.

Here's a hint: the military does MANY things around the world. Just one thing that's done: securing of shipping routes that allows for trade. Or supporting the Baltic countries by fulfilling NATO obligations.

Nice presumption that everyone's happy and agrees with orders though.

Just like all Catholics agree with the pope.

[(Anonymous)]

In your analogy, the general public is Islam and those who joined up are ISIS. Your analogy is flawed because you are trying to say that the public and the general military population are synonymous, the military is an elective service separate from the wider public. They are the ISIS analogues in your own example.

[(Anonymous)]

Because you're equating military service with action in the Middle East which ignoring a HUGE range of functions of the military.

Like the COAST GUARD, for instance. Or people who work on US Naval hospital ships and provide disaster relief. Or medics in Afghanistan who treat the local population.

You're taking the most violent people, with the most violent and hateful ideologies (ISIS) and applying it to the entire group (Muslims).

Because, let's not forget, ISIS DRAWS its ideology FROM Islam -- just in an extremist and bloodthirsty manner.

[(Anonymous)]

The coastguard which escorts warships, and has ran patrols in Guantanamo Bay, the medics who have overseen torture and patched up the victims of it and sent them back to the tortures in our black sites to do it again. The translators that help direct airstrikes which target weddings. No, I do not support those assholes because they knew signing up that that could be part of their job. One good deed does erase all the bad ones, nor excuse that they signed up knowing they were going to be inservice of people that did illegal and inexcusable things and that they might be called on to be part of it. The world does not run on no-harm no-foul like you are implying it does. It doesn't matter how much you try and rig the starting conditions.