[ SECRET POST #3136 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3136 ⌋

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Comments

Re: What defines a Mary Sue for you?

[dani_phantasma]

I believe that a Mary Sue consists of most or all of these four traits.

*Warps canon laws/canon revolves around them
*Makes people act out of character
*Has no flaws that affect them. (you can't just say that a trait is a flaw while the canon never shows it negativity effect them.)
*Outshines everyone without even trying

Re: What defines a Mary Sue for you?

[(Anonymous)]

Warps canon laws/canon revolves around them

Yep, that's a key point - that the character is reality-warping, whatever the rules of that universe are, they bend for her.

Re: What defines a Mary Sue for you?

[dani_phantasma]

Honestly this is why I wish the name of the term had more to do with that> 'Center of Attention" or "Black Hole Character" would be better than Mary Sue, because even if people didn't know the term , the name of the term would be easier to figure out.

Also I wish at least with Mary Sue that the meaning had stayed more defined, rather than being so subjective that it could mean all sorts of things.

You can't have a single term cover every sort of bad character out there, and still be useful in constructive criticism.

da

[(Anonymous)]

well, I can see the want for a new term, but Mary Sue was coined specifically for fanfic OCs, for female self-inserts who banged the MC/all the male cast and exhibited all these sparkletraits (your list is spot-on). So I think the term itself is still valid, but when you're talking about a canon character, Canon Sue is enough. It implies, a la Wesley Crusher, that the creator of the canon was using them as a self-insert/personal wish fulfillment in a way.

I like Black Hole, though.

Re: What defines a Mary Sue for you?

[ketita]

When I was growing up, I used to say this character has "Main Character Syndrome" (or MCS). I actually noticed it in male characters long before I ever did with female

Re: What defines a Mary Sue for you?

[(Anonymous)]

No idea how that "c" post happened...

(you can't just say that a trait is a flaw while the canon never shows it negativity effect them.)

Or, even worse, have said flaw lead to good things. A teen movie had the BFFs split up into cliques and refuse to talk to each other for years. How will they ever make up? Why, by having clumsy character accidentally start a food fight so they get to talk, yays! ...I think said clumsy character was also somehow a really good rugby or soccer player.

Re: What defines a Mary Sue for you?

[dani_phantasma]

Oh my God, that sounds horrible. What were they even thinking. That sounds like a bad fanfic.