[ SECRET POST #3136 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3136 ⌋

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less of a rant and more of a strange ramble

[(Anonymous)]

So yesterday I saw a lot of discussion about male MCs (and male authors.) I also had a discussion with it in a writing comm elsewhere about how many male MCs there were. Then I saw the thread today about Mary Sue and one comment really got me thinking.

"Group 1, the "calls every female character a Sue" group, was prominent a while ago." (-Anon)

Mary Sue accusations were prominent and only a little while ago coming up with dozens of Mary Sue subtypes and Mary Sue sporking communities and the general "Don't write a Mary Sue!" was prominent flavor of the era, like social Justice commentary is this era's current flavor. . (I remember a while LiveJournal community dedicated to accusing canon sues).

And naturally these accusations are more commonly aimed at female characters. In the past it seemed as if anything a female character could do besides be a background character got her a Mary Sue accusation.

Maybe one of the reasons that you see so many works with male MCs and works with lots of male characters (one not all of course) is that the past era of overzealous Mary Sue accusations made some people online at the time reluctant to try female characters.

I sometimes suspect that some people I've seen/dealt with in my writing circle who are complaining about not enough female characters and too many male ones were the same ones years ago telling young authors that their female characters were Mary Sues that should be killed with fire. and if so, I can't help but judge them as they talk about how it must be sexism/internalized misogyny that not enough girls are writing female characters.

Re: less of a rant and more of a strange ramble

[(Anonymous)]

You know, I'd totally believe that reluctance to be accused of Mary Sueing it up is part of why people don't want to write female characters. A corollary to that argument: it may also be because a lot of recognizable female character templates have Mary Sue elements, and it can seem like, in order to write a female character who isn't a Mary Sue, you'd have to reinvent the wheel, so to speak, rather than writing from example, which is what all writers do.

Re: less of a rant and more of a strange ramble

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe one of the reasons that you see so many works with male MCs and works with lots of male characters (one not all of course) is that the past era of overzealous Mary Sue accusations made some people online at the time reluctant to try female characters.

You vastly overestimate the importance of fandom and vastly underestimate the influence of sexism.

Re: less of a rant and more of a strange ramble

[(Anonymous)]

I said one of the reasons. One

I have read articles by women writers as the term really picked up, talking about being afraid to write female characters?

Maybe it's not all about the writers being stupid sexist meanies who hate women and people who are afraid to write women in away that will get them mocked or accused of bad writing? I don't think that's a ridiculous idea.