[ SECRET POST #3143 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #3143 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 038 secrets from Secret Submission Post #449.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I wonder if it's the same person posting all the Utena secrets? Anyway, the-I-want-to-fuck-my-brother thing skeeved me out a bit.

[(Anonymous)]

Nope. I made some of the other Utena secrets in this batch, but not this one. So including me, there's at least two people making Utena secrets. Possibly more.

Also, I'm pretty sure the I-want-to-fuck-my-brother thing is supposed to skeeve you out.

[(Anonymous)]

Anthy never wanted to "fuck her brother."
Her brother was raping her against her will.

[(Anonymous)]

Was he? I thought it was deliberately left ambiguous. He was clearly abusing her in other ways, but the show never comes down and says that it's for sure rape, though it certainly could be interpreted that way (just like everything else in Utena, ambiguous as hell)

I'd call it about as certain as Miki and Kaoru having a sexual relationship or Utena and Anthy being a couple in the romantic sense (outside of the movie, of course).

[(Anonymous)]

In the show, it clearly shows him forcing her to undress and using her her when she's clearly not comfortable with it.

I'm pretty sure it's fucking rape, dude.

[(Anonymous)]

huh? when? episode?

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it was meant to be ambiguous. Akio is the one who initiates sex with Anthy by grabbing her. After they have sex Anthy speaks to Akio in a flat voice and you can't see her eyes. Since Akio is meant to be Anthy's abuser, how else are you supposed to represent it? Jeez.

[(Anonymous)]

*interpret it not represent it. My bad

[(Anonymous)]

except that that interpretation is countered with the fact(? in the flashback) that she first initiated their sexual relationship toward her own end. don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that he's not abusing her, but utena is very lifelike in this respect, and abusive relationships are often ambiguous like that. He feels (and rightly so) that SHE has been the one abusing and manipulating him. In the end, they are both victims of the world they live in (the swords) but while Akio managed to make them work for him and direct them at Anthy, she is perpetually victimized.

[(Anonymous)]

what

the world is "mad" because their prince (Akio) isn't perfect, so he makes sure the anger is directed towards the witch (Anthy), so that he can continue being a piece of shit without losing face

she doesn't fight back because that's the role she's supposed to be playing (because her brother is good and she's bad) and she remains pretty much catatonic/despondent until Utena shows up and Anthy realizes it's okay to put herself first/not answer to Akio's needs

the entire point is that Anthy is victim-blamed (even she herself thinks she's the one responsible) and the situation isn't resolved until Anthy leaves, because Akio is perfectly happy with using Anthy as he pleases

it's made perfectly clear she didn't initiate shit

[(Anonymous)]

except when she seduces him when they're children, when he's fallen victim to the world's expectations of him?
maybe take a step back and reevaluate your idea of abuse existing within clear good/bad frame, then the whole series will make more sense. You're stereotyping the victim, and that erases part of the story, and doesn't help with solutions of similar situations, nor is it the point Ikuhara wants to make. All of his works deal with the guilt of the victim vs. the (previous) victimization of the abuser. trying to force it into a black/white frame is not doing it justice in the least.