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Maybe I'm durr but I thought gender was man/woman not male/female considering animals can be male/female?

Anyway, I'm a cis woman. Female.

But online, I generally just go with the majority - in a majority woman space I'm a woman. In one with mostly men I'm a dude.

sex is biological

gender is a social construct

But then why is everyone saying their gender is male/female?

cause female-presenting or male-presenting is a mouthful and words are hard

…But why not just say man/woman then?

Isn't that what gender IS?

DA

We're using the words male and female as adjectives, with male (human, which is a man) and female (human, which is a woman) implied.

If you use "the male" and "the female" as nouns, that's when it becomes strictly about biological sex and why people sound so creepy when they refer to "all the females in the room hurr hurr".

^ because it doesn't differentiate any between female humans and female dogs or cats or plants and focuses only on the sex of the thing.

I used male/female because

"Offline, woman.
Online, man or woman."

Looks and sounds awkward to me.

Also the question was "what gender do you get ID as"

Female gender. Male gender.

Woman gender man gender sounds odd.

I guess I just got confuzzled because I was under the impression that

Sex: Male/Female

Gender: Man/Woman

I guess I'm wrong there but now I don't even know the difference anymore

Sex is your physical or biological body

Gender is mental and social

There aren't words that are only one or the other

"White" can be a color and a race, it depends on context

I just laughed so hard at the thought of going, "I am man gender."

excuse me, it's bro-gendered

Gender is not a social construct. It's an innate sense. An instinct. If it were a social construct, no one would be trans because they'd have no basis to reject their socially-asigned gender.

Assigning certain behaviors, preferences, and thought patterns to gender is the social construct and the thing that will vary cross-culturally.

I think you're missing out on what a social construct is. A social construct doesn't mean something doesn't exist or there isn't a basis for it, it's socially-assigned value given to an attribute or object.

Money is a social construct.

I honestly don't understand here. Money is a social construct because it is a proxy for things of real value like food and labor. Even if the money is made of gold, it's still a proxy, because (outside of certain modern industrial applications) gold has little real value except as a shiny luxury item. It's valuable because you can exchange it for a sandwich. You need a society with an economy for any of this to work.

Gender identity is independent of what a given society says it means to be of a particular gender. I'm not female because I accept everything society says is feminine and reject everything it says is masculine. Money changes value when you move across borders, but I wouldn't stop feeling female if I moved into a society with very different ideas about gender.

But that's not the point. The argument is not that gender is socially determined by whatever society you happen to be living in; the point is that it's socially constructed. Your gender is socially constructed in that both the idea of 'feminine' which you have and which makes you feel feminine, and the ideas of the society into which you've moved, are socially determined.

Take the gold example. Money isn't valuable because you can exchange it for a sandwich. The quality "can be exchanged for a sandwich" does not inhere in pieces of paper. Money is valuable because society has determined that you can exchange it for a sandwich. Its value is socially constructed, not because it is a proxy for some other thing, or because it has a function in relation to a specific system, but in the fact that its value and identity are basically a social function rather than being inherent in it.

And that's pretty much what people mean when they talk about gender being a social construct. Gender does not inhere in the person - I mean, at a certain point it mostly does because the ideas that you encounter in your youth tend to shape you going forward, but those ideas don't have any kind of abstract correctness. They're just a set of ideas that society happens to have grouped into these two concepts, and that can vary enormously from society to society.

Compare sex - sex is not socially constructed in the sense that it is (for the most part) biologically given. There is an inherent, factual sex, and the characteristics of what belongs to which sex are biologically determined. So sex does not vary from society to society.

If it were a social construct, no one would be trans because they'd have no basis to reject their socially-asigned gender.

... nnnnnno, most trans people are uncomfortable with their physical bodies and feel like they were born in the "wrong" body. Gender is just one part of the equation.

What makes them feel their bodies are wrong then? There is something inside of them that directs them to feel that way. Isn't that gender identity?

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